Gary Fitzjarrell and Brett Seibert: The 2024 US Open Northbrook Style

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[00:00:58] [SPEAKER_07]: Today I have on some guys who give us an inside look at what it takes to host one of the biggest tournaments in the sport.

[00:01:06] [SPEAKER_07]: The US Open at Northbrook, from targets to offering top-notch hospitality, the highs and lows and the moments that make it all worth it.

[00:01:16] [SPEAKER_07]: We also talk about the feedback and lessons learned. Please welcome all two funny guys, Gary Fitzgerald and Brett Seibert.

[00:01:30] [SPEAKER_07]: We got Gary and Brett on, and I don't think these two guys need any sort of introduction. Gary is what would you call Gary Brett?

[00:01:44] [SPEAKER_05]: Gary is a range owner and I guess you'd say an internet-gad fly.

[00:01:52] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, he's also an amateur target setter and semi-pro Shripe Boiler.

[00:02:03] [SPEAKER_05]: Yes, so semi-pro.

[00:02:05] [SPEAKER_02]: He's got a lot of very extreme.

[00:02:09] [SPEAKER_03]: I have oil through dishes that excite the local gender-free.

[00:02:16] [SPEAKER_03]: So to speak, so if you want me to boil some for you, I got you there, Jess.

[00:02:21] [SPEAKER_05]: By gendering he means haltless, yeah.

[00:02:25] [SPEAKER_03]: Yes, well, I mean, you know, well, which is pretty much shooters, which is the common term for

[00:02:32] [SPEAKER_03]: professional shooters, almost.

[00:02:36] [SPEAKER_07]: So Gary, what would you say now how would I introduce Brett?

[00:02:40] [SPEAKER_07]: Let's let you do that.

[00:02:43] [SPEAKER_02]: Who is a professional boy?

[00:02:46] [SPEAKER_02]: Professional boy?

[00:02:51] [SPEAKER_02]: Wow, a little boy.

[00:02:53] [SPEAKER_02]: Professional target.

[00:02:57] [SPEAKER_02]: That's pretty much it.

[00:02:59] [SPEAKER_02]: Let's just get to the point.

[00:03:00] [SPEAKER_05]: You know, Brett's a real bully.

[00:03:03] [SPEAKER_05]: So, I'm apparently a bully.

[00:03:06] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, Gary told me that was a bully.

[00:03:08] [SPEAKER_03]: He was a bully.

[00:03:09] [SPEAKER_03]: He hires other bullies like Richard Falds, so to speak, to do his bidding.

[00:03:15] [SPEAKER_03]: He's kind of a kingpin when it comes to the shattering of egos, the dashes people with

[00:03:24] [SPEAKER_03]: dreams.

[00:03:25] [SPEAKER_03]: But he's the king.

[00:03:26] [SPEAKER_03]: He's the alcohol obviously Chicago.

[00:03:28] [SPEAKER_03]: So not only he hires people to hurt people's feelings.

[00:03:34] [SPEAKER_07]: Oh, he doesn't own purpose.

[00:03:37] [SPEAKER_03]: He does it on purpose.

[00:03:38] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah.

[00:03:41] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, he's was what was alcohol's hitman, nitty.

[00:03:48] [SPEAKER_03]: That was pretty cool.

[00:03:50] [SPEAKER_05]: That was pretty cool.

[00:03:51] [SPEAKER_03]: It was French.

[00:03:52] [SPEAKER_03]: Richard Falds, the Frank nitty of Brett's little empire.

[00:03:58] [SPEAKER_05]: I have written on good things.

[00:04:00] [SPEAKER_05]: I have an FLC sporting grounds in Southern Illinois, White Hall Illinois.

[00:04:09] [SPEAKER_05]: Do you guys have ladies tease there that some of the shooters can shoot from or do you have just like one stand?

[00:04:16] [SPEAKER_03]: No, they can make in step up like the rest of everybody and miss like the best of them.

[00:04:22] [SPEAKER_07]: Oh, it's pretty much it.

[00:04:23] [SPEAKER_07]: Do y'all have ladies tease or y'all have a couple of them stand?

[00:04:25] [SPEAKER_05]: We have we have we have different courses so we you know we have four or five different courses running so you can you can pick your boys and most of the time.

[00:04:34] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, and even our monthly events we have a soft course very soft course I think.

[00:04:38] [SPEAKER_05]: You know people should 98 99 and then we have our more challenging red course that we run every month.

[00:04:45] [SPEAKER_05]: Thanks, others.

[00:04:46] [SPEAKER_05]: There's a little bit of everything.

[00:04:49] [SPEAKER_07]: So gear you're getting ready for the one of my clients.

[00:04:52] [SPEAKER_07]: The cone packer open.

[00:04:53] [SPEAKER_07]: How is that?

[00:04:54] [SPEAKER_07]: How's that going?

[00:04:55] [SPEAKER_07]: Tell me about your target centers.

[00:04:57] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean we've got everything.

[00:04:59] [SPEAKER_03]: We've got me.

[00:05:01] [SPEAKER_03]: We've got me and then supporting me is me.

[00:05:06] [SPEAKER_03]: I've had you tough.

[00:05:08] [SPEAKER_03]: And that's pretty much it.

[00:05:10] [SPEAKER_03]: Now, we've got to we've got to come back home which is running with all around.

[00:05:17] [SPEAKER_03]: So I tell everybody they get upset about the difficulty of targeting some of my less

[00:05:21] [SPEAKER_03]: guys or 36,000 bucks the main purse.

[00:05:25] [SPEAKER_03]: You're shooting the same level of targets that guys are trying to make big money on it.

[00:05:32] [SPEAKER_03]: You know, please thankful that you're shooting good stuff.

[00:05:37] [SPEAKER_03]: The difficulty of targets I mean they're there.

[00:05:39] [SPEAKER_03]: I mean there's there's some gap.

[00:05:41] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm trying to use all the terrain we've got.

[00:05:45] [SPEAKER_03]: I mean deal with me.

[00:05:48] [SPEAKER_03]: You're worried about placement or not worried about score if you're worried about score.

[00:05:54] [SPEAKER_03]: There's a there's a shoot in Las Vegas around that glory march where you can go shoot a big score as still loose.

[00:06:03] [SPEAKER_03]: Arves is done.

[00:06:06] [SPEAKER_03]: So there's well we've got a good bar and we've got suit.

[00:06:11] [SPEAKER_03]: So we're going to shoot a few times.

[00:06:13] [SPEAKER_03]: And so we're going to shoot some targets.

[00:06:16] [SPEAKER_03]: Tricks liquor and he's a foot.

[00:06:19] [SPEAKER_05]: The target is going to be really hard because I don't want to come up.

[00:06:22] [SPEAKER_05]: They're going to be really hard.

[00:06:22] [SPEAKER_05]: I want to shoot like a 95.

[00:06:24] [SPEAKER_03]: Well, actually probably can cause we're doing 120 to 120 per main event.

[00:06:30] [SPEAKER_03]: So you can miss 20 targets and still say in the hundreds.

[00:06:35] [SPEAKER_05]: Now that's smart.

[00:06:36] [SPEAKER_05]: We should all do that.

[00:06:39] [SPEAKER_03]: So David here started that.

[00:06:41] [SPEAKER_03]: That's a Dave leader or thing.

[00:06:43] [SPEAKER_03]: That's a.

[00:06:44] [SPEAKER_04]: That was an accident though.

[00:06:46] [SPEAKER_04]: That was an accident he just couldn't count.

[00:06:48] [SPEAKER_03]: He missed count.

[00:06:50] [SPEAKER_03]: He missed count and you know, he threw eight 50 stations.

[00:06:54] [SPEAKER_03]: Maybe he's like holy shit.

[00:06:55] [SPEAKER_03]: This this has up to 120.

[00:06:59] [SPEAKER_03]: So none of my house guy.

[00:07:01] [SPEAKER_03]: He married a Dave.

[00:07:02] [SPEAKER_03]: And he's not a math guy.

[00:07:03] [SPEAKER_03]: He's a pilot of so really good pilot.

[00:07:06] [SPEAKER_07]: What you're saying is if a if a course is going to be hard,

[00:07:10] [SPEAKER_07]: we should just set more targets so that people have a higher score.

[00:07:15] [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, I mean, isn't that just common sense?

[00:07:18] [SPEAKER_05]: And I think too if we could get bigger targets just and then we could throw them farther away.

[00:07:24] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[00:07:25] [SPEAKER_05]: Maybe if we got like some 200 200 no a meter or something, then you could put a hundred to our meter.

[00:07:31] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[00:07:31] [SPEAKER_03]: So, I'm just a 200 millimeter, but not our own because the French don't like orange don't.

[00:07:37] [SPEAKER_03]: No, they're like that.

[00:07:38] [SPEAKER_03]: You're being they do not like orange don'ts it has to be they're very positive.

[00:07:44] [SPEAKER_03]: So even easy all black or orange.

[00:07:49] [SPEAKER_05]: That is.

[00:07:49] [SPEAKER_05]: You know what you're saying?

[00:07:50] [SPEAKER_05]: They don't like mixing stuff over there.

[00:07:52] No.

[00:07:53] [SPEAKER_07]: So Brett, I talked to you.

[00:07:54] [SPEAKER_07]: You said the US open.

[00:07:57] [SPEAKER_07]: I had a good time with their man.

[00:07:59] [SPEAKER_05]: Oh, I had a good time too.

[00:08:01] [SPEAKER_05]: I think most most everyone did it went it went super smooth.

[00:08:06] [SPEAKER_05]: The weather was great.

[00:08:08] [SPEAKER_05]: The grass was hard.

[00:08:09] [SPEAKER_05]: It's where fantastic the grass was.

[00:08:12] [SPEAKER_05]: Grass was hard.

[00:08:13] [SPEAKER_05]: Food was we had good food and people got to have a beer too.

[00:08:18] [SPEAKER_05]: And I think I don't think I've been to an open that ran that smoothly.

[00:08:25] [SPEAKER_05]: I just I kind of ran out around and I think personally to do around Saturday and Brown Moon.

[00:08:29] [SPEAKER_05]: There was no emergency.

[00:08:32] [SPEAKER_05]: No enough and so it was fun for a change.

[00:08:35] [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, I mean I had a good time.

[00:08:36] [SPEAKER_03]: It was really good a sack for the people that weren't there at problems with it.

[00:08:41] [SPEAKER_03]: But it's good to see.

[00:08:43] [SPEAKER_05]: I mean that always the case.

[00:08:44] [SPEAKER_05]: That's good.

[00:08:45] [SPEAKER_05]: It's kind of typically you get some good documents from people that weren't there.

[00:08:49] [SPEAKER_05]: They can analyze your shoot and.

[00:08:52] [SPEAKER_05]: 1000 miles away.

[00:08:54] [SPEAKER_07]: The people the people that analyzed what were they what were they saying about it.

[00:08:57] [SPEAKER_05]: I guess there's a number.

[00:09:02] [SPEAKER_05]: Or percentages you're supposed to hit for the shooters are supposed to hit and.

[00:09:07] [SPEAKER_05]: I think that our percentages offended some a few people that weren't there.

[00:09:11] [SPEAKER_05]: I mean, the people I talked to that were there and the bulk of our responses on the polls.

[00:09:16] [SPEAKER_05]: Said that's what they came for and that's what they expected and enjoy themselves.

[00:09:21] [SPEAKER_05]: But you know sometimes sometimes people that they're just looking at numbers maybe get a little confused or if they have.

[00:09:27] [SPEAKER_05]: You know, pre-prejudgements on what it should be.

[00:09:29] [SPEAKER_07]: So Richard falls to set your targets and they were definitely different than I had seen like you know,

[00:09:35] [SPEAKER_07]: I hadn't seen some of these presentations before and I think there's a lot of people that hadn't seen some of the presentations which I thought were cool.

[00:09:42] [SPEAKER_07]: And I didn't know what to do with them.

[00:09:44] [SPEAKER_07]: So I had a good time with it.

[00:09:45] [SPEAKER_07]: I thought it was cool especially that big tree that's in the way.

[00:09:47] [SPEAKER_07]: You know that one course that.

[00:09:50] [SPEAKER_07]: Have that big right there.

[00:09:51] [SPEAKER_05]: Oh yeah.

[00:09:52] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I've had a tree about four feet trying to be on a target target on either side of it.

[00:09:56] [SPEAKER_05]: Now, Richard did a great job. He said all the main event targets and we let him go.

[00:10:02] [SPEAKER_05]: We all we all we all we went around and looked at him and didn't have didn't have any comments on many of them.

[00:10:07] [SPEAKER_05]: And I think he just did a great job and and like you're saying, going to a big shoe and seeing stuff you haven't seen before.

[00:10:15] [SPEAKER_05]: To me that's the idea and to some people though that's not fair because they couldn't practice that so I don't you know,

[00:10:22] [SPEAKER_05]: if it's just again, I don't get that.

[00:10:24] [SPEAKER_05]: I'd be happy to go somewhere and see somewhere I've never seen before.

[00:10:28] [SPEAKER_05]: You know, we're heading to see stuff of.

[00:10:29] [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, that's what it comes down to is like, I mean at this point, what have we haven't seen?

[00:10:37] [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, we've seen.

[00:10:39] [SPEAKER_03]: Tars for the left.

[00:10:40] [SPEAKER_03]: Tars for the right.

[00:10:41] [SPEAKER_03]: So I'm going in and some go out.

[00:10:43] [SPEAKER_03]: But the reality of it is this is a US.

[00:10:46] [SPEAKER_03]: Why do we care about the scores?

[00:10:48] [SPEAKER_03]: Aren't we carried on?

[00:10:49] [SPEAKER_03]: We worried about the placement?

[00:10:52] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm not worried about where we can be in the competition sport.

[00:10:57] [SPEAKER_03]: So the guy that breaks more than next, normally wins, who gets a shit what the score is?

[00:11:05] [SPEAKER_05]: It's our largest traveling shoot and even when you go, you go down to the regionals have, you know, a big part of the lower the regionals is you're going to go shoot what you don't normally shoot.

[00:11:17] [SPEAKER_05]: You're going to go out from the east and you go out west.

[00:11:20] [SPEAKER_05]: It's going to all be way different for you.

[00:11:22] [SPEAKER_05]: If we go to a regional in it, and it's real soft.

[00:11:26] [SPEAKER_05]: I think that's what they shoot there.

[00:11:28] [SPEAKER_05]: And the good shooters don't complain about it.

[00:11:30] [SPEAKER_05]: They shoot their score.

[00:11:32] [SPEAKER_05]: And whether it's too hard, too soft to your liking, not to your liking, that's what they shoot there.

[00:11:38] [SPEAKER_05]: You know, you're going to go shoot these targets in the desert.

[00:11:40] [SPEAKER_05]: You're going to go shoot these desert, these targets in the pine woods.

[00:11:43] [SPEAKER_05]: And if you're from Minnesota or Illinois, neither one is in your comfort zone.

[00:11:49] [SPEAKER_05]: But she go to get better at it, not to get better at what you do every day.

[00:11:54] [SPEAKER_05]: I don't think.

[00:11:56] [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, I mean, on that one, I mean, where GW was helping us GW shot, GW cooked, he's like, I asked up what do you think of the birds?

[00:12:08] [SPEAKER_03]: That's the birds.

[00:12:11] [SPEAKER_03]: So you got a 15 year old kid that understands that the object of this exercise is to shoot better than the other guy below you.

[00:12:22] [SPEAKER_03]: You know, he knows if shit.

[00:12:24] [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, he shoots a lot of the boxbirds most of the time.

[00:12:27] [SPEAKER_03]: But you know, you know, if a kid can get it, why can't a 55 year old guy understand the object is too break more targets.

[00:12:37] [SPEAKER_03]: So the next guy, not shoot your score that you're used to shooting at whatever club you're, you know, whatever.

[00:12:45] [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, I mean, God damn it's competition.

[00:12:48] [SPEAKER_03]: But the hell happened?

[00:12:49] [SPEAKER_05]: Well, any if it's, if it's not fun for you then you shouldn't go, you know, if it's safe, if you do need, you know, if you come from an average base sport or something like that and, you know, your average out of 100 matters to you, then you probably should stick close to home.

[00:13:06] [SPEAKER_05]: You know, in work on your average, but what makes the morning place fun is the opposite of that.

[00:13:12] [SPEAKER_05]: In fact, that you can miss a couple.

[00:13:14] [SPEAKER_05]: I think I think at our open Anthony miss seven birds the first day, if we had three vanilla courses he could never come back, right?

[00:13:28] [SPEAKER_05]: There's no chance.

[00:13:30] [SPEAKER_05]: So I mean to make a sport out of a little legitimate sport, it has to be there has to be some challenge.

[00:13:35] [SPEAKER_05]: And I don't know how you set a course that would challenge the top guys and make a guy that, you know, everyone else through the 90.

[00:13:48] [SPEAKER_05]: I don't know how you do that.

[00:13:51] [SPEAKER_03]: It's impossible to do.

[00:13:53] [SPEAKER_03]: And the talent pool is so wide.

[00:13:56] [SPEAKER_03]: So what do we do? Who do we cater to?

[00:13:58] [SPEAKER_03]: First of all, and Brett probably said this one,

[00:14:02] [SPEAKER_03]: we have to manage expectations.

[00:14:06] [SPEAKER_03]: So you're coming in Northbroke, what do you expect?

[00:14:13] [SPEAKER_03]: I mean that's a very honest question.

[00:14:17] [SPEAKER_03]: What do you expect Brett and everybody he lines himself with to throw?

[00:14:24] [SPEAKER_03]: He's not going to get guys to throw cake.

[00:14:27] [SPEAKER_03]: There's no way that Northbroke's going to throw that.

[00:14:30] [SPEAKER_03]: If you think you're going to get easy shit at Northbroke, why are you here?

[00:14:37] [SPEAKER_02]: Explain that.

[00:14:39] [SPEAKER_07]: Explain that.

[00:14:40] [SPEAKER_07]: Why is Northbroke known for throwing hard targets?

[00:14:42] [SPEAKER_07]: I know you do, but is that something that you want to...

[00:14:46] [SPEAKER_05]: I mean, since I don't even know what you're giving you is the word hard.

[00:14:53] [SPEAKER_05]: I just go back to their quality targets.

[00:14:55] [SPEAKER_05]: As long as you can see them, they've got some...

[00:14:59] [SPEAKER_05]: I don't know what the word technical means when people talk about the technical course or a technical presentation.

[00:15:09] [SPEAKER_05]: I think just about all of them are technical.

[00:15:11] [SPEAKER_05]: He certainly have to do the right thing to break all of them.

[00:15:17] [SPEAKER_05]: But since I joined the club in 99, I think, and it was always a little more challenging.

[00:15:24] [SPEAKER_05]: But there were then other clubs, and especially other clubs around here.

[00:15:29] [SPEAKER_05]: But there was always a lot of thought behind the targets, and there was always...

[00:15:33] [SPEAKER_05]: There was always something you could learn from each station.

[00:15:38] [SPEAKER_05]: If you...

[00:15:39] [SPEAKER_05]: Three things can happen to you when you compete.

[00:15:41] [SPEAKER_05]: You can win or you can learn something.

[00:15:45] [SPEAKER_05]: And failing during those two things, then you lost.

[00:15:49] [SPEAKER_05]: But you didn't lose if you learned something.

[00:15:52] [SPEAKER_05]: And to win like Erie says, you got to shoot one more than the other guy.

[00:15:57] [SPEAKER_05]: So I don't know.

[00:15:58] [SPEAKER_05]: I think it's just...

[00:15:59] [SPEAKER_05]: We've always been more concerned about quality, interesting targets, good presentations and not score.

[00:16:06] [SPEAKER_05]: And I mean, it'd be super easy to throw two eight bird stations in on every course and give everybody 16 birds.

[00:16:15] [SPEAKER_05]: But you know, I don't want to do that.

[00:16:17] [SPEAKER_05]: I don't want to do that.

[00:16:18] [SPEAKER_05]: I don't want to shoot that, and I don't want to sell that.

[00:16:22] [SPEAKER_05]: If you and your kid shot, you two have paid 20 bucks to shoot a station.

[00:16:27] [SPEAKER_05]: And I don't want to give you 16 lane birds for your 20 bucks.

[00:16:32] [SPEAKER_05]: Well, let me get you a sentence.

[00:16:36] [SPEAKER_03]: Brett made a comment a long time ago that he said, this is more or less direct to our feet task.

[00:16:44] [SPEAKER_03]: We are keepers of the game.

[00:16:46] [SPEAKER_03]: So, you know, I always took that baby Brett can explain that little deeper.

[00:16:52] [SPEAKER_03]: But we have a certain level by saying keepers of the game.

[00:16:56] [SPEAKER_03]: We have a certain level of performance or difficulty.

[00:17:00] [SPEAKER_03]: Or why do you want to say that we should keep this sport at or this hot of the app, right?

[00:17:07] [SPEAKER_03]: So it's like, the task.

[00:17:08] [SPEAKER_03]: The task should always be more difficult this morning.

[00:17:11] [SPEAKER_03]: But it's almost like we have to hold this game sacred to keep it a certain level of difficulty.

[00:17:19] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't want, personally, I don't want to give guy a chart.

[00:17:23] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't want to sit there and hand the guy.

[00:17:25] [SPEAKER_03]: Brett said an eight bird station of a true pair of double-income or 20 yards bullshit.

[00:17:33] [SPEAKER_03]: Why are we here?

[00:17:35] [SPEAKER_03]: But in my wrong amount, you said the keycours of the game ship.

[00:17:38] [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, that's the keycours of the game.

[00:17:41] [SPEAKER_06]: No, there has to be something.

[00:17:44] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, and the variety is, you know, of all the keepers of the game, if you will.

[00:17:51] [SPEAKER_05]: You know, what they throw, you need to have the variety.

[00:17:53] [SPEAKER_05]: You need to have the soft places.

[00:17:55] [SPEAKER_05]: You need to have the meat in places.

[00:17:56] [SPEAKER_05]: You need to have the hard places.

[00:17:59] [SPEAKER_05]: And, you know, give people some choices in some variety or the game becomes,

[00:18:05] [SPEAKER_05]: the game becomes skier trap, you know, which are fine games that just aren't as fun as sporting place.

[00:18:13] [SPEAKER_07]: Brett, do you, does it bother you when people say,

[00:18:18] [SPEAKER_07]: I want to be a leader to the V and the C and the D class shooters?

[00:18:23] [SPEAKER_07]: Is that bother you at all?

[00:18:24] [SPEAKER_07]: Do you think about that or does it matter to you?

[00:18:28] [SPEAKER_07]: How do you think it should be?

[00:18:29] [SPEAKER_05]: No, I mean, it doesn't bother you.

[00:18:31] [SPEAKER_05]: It doesn't bother me that they say that you absolutely have to consider all your guests.

[00:18:38] [SPEAKER_05]: And I remember a shoot.

[00:18:41] [SPEAKER_05]: Probably 10 years ago was a regional we had and we had a couple.

[00:18:45] [SPEAKER_05]: An older couple that had a club and they came to shoot and support the shoot.

[00:18:49] [SPEAKER_05]: I watched them shoot two stations and they took zeros on the two stations.

[00:18:54] [SPEAKER_05]: And you know, that was a long time ago and I didn't want to see that happen again.

[00:19:00] [SPEAKER_05]: There has to be something for everyone and I don't think we've ever thrown everything where the whole deal is a ballbuster.

[00:19:08] [SPEAKER_05]: There's, you know, there's targets that are open that there was a target of a tower that,

[00:19:14] [SPEAKER_05]: that frankly not a lot of people were going to hit not many people hit at all.

[00:19:18] [SPEAKER_05]: The second bird was a 25 yard in your face, T.O., that nobody missed.

[00:19:22] [SPEAKER_05]: So, you know, you can talk all day long about the tower shot that was three birds or four birds I think.

[00:19:31] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, you miss okay, well you're on a 96 for that.

[00:19:34] [SPEAKER_05]: You know, you're down four birds there but you also got four.

[00:19:39] [SPEAKER_05]: So, you have to take everybody into consideration it's just, you know, not extremely neither direction I guess.

[00:19:47] [SPEAKER_03]: He's not at all.

[00:19:49] [SPEAKER_03]: It's what is the same way when I said of course, yeah, man, I threw up the A bird was tough but the B bird you should hit.

[00:19:58] [SPEAKER_03]: You know, I mean, it's a weird deal of what people want and we kind of got away from the competition and we're more or less a field good shit.

[00:20:10] [SPEAKER_03]: But Brett's been trying to work on the EEC.

[00:20:14] [SPEAKER_03]: Maybe your classes aren't correct.

[00:20:17] [SPEAKER_03]: You know, let's think about that is when you got masters that are shooting 50% are we going to blame the TARDIS center or are we going to blame the fact that maybe you're in their own class?

[00:20:31] [SPEAKER_05]: Well, yeah, that goes back to expectations when I'm first time I punched it punched in a max master class I had no expectations.

[00:20:40] [SPEAKER_05]: And you see people that punch in the master class and maybe maybe never going to win their class but they think they should within the next three weeks, you know, took them six years to get there.

[00:20:54] [SPEAKER_05]: You know, doing other six years and you might be competitive.

[00:20:58] [SPEAKER_05]: So I don't know it's a buy and in the class indications obviously skew people's expectations, you know.

[00:21:06] [SPEAKER_03]: Of course, one of the common questions I ask guys when they get upset about.

[00:21:11] [SPEAKER_03]: You know, that's already for your FLC I asked him the same question.

[00:21:15] [SPEAKER_03]: What did you do to get better?

[00:21:17] [SPEAKER_03]: You know, did you put the work in?

[00:21:19] [SPEAKER_03]: Did you shoot?

[00:21:20] [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, obviously FLC is open seven days a week.

[00:21:23] [SPEAKER_03]: He buy your TARDIS cards, you can practice only targets.

[00:21:26] [SPEAKER_03]: Can't be practiced by TARDIS.

[00:21:29] [SPEAKER_03]: Well, no.

[00:21:32] [SPEAKER_03]: Then why do you expect to shoot good if you're not putting in the work?

[00:21:38] [SPEAKER_03]: You know, I don't owe you a score and Brett doesn't owe you a score.

[00:21:42] [SPEAKER_07]: You talk about classes.

[00:21:43] [SPEAKER_07]: Do you think every year they review the shooters, right?

[00:21:47] [SPEAKER_07]: Do you think you should have an option to not take the down class or should you have to take the down class?

[00:21:54] [SPEAKER_05]: I think in a perfect world, you would not have the option.

[00:21:59] [SPEAKER_05]: I don't think, honestly, they'll never get there.

[00:22:01] [SPEAKER_05]: I think it's to established that there's too many people that think that their class there in is their lifetime achievement award.

[00:22:12] [SPEAKER_05]: And I don't know if they may be the fact that they named it master didn't help.

[00:22:15] [SPEAKER_05]: If they were AAA or something like they use in ski and you're only in AAA at the at the region at their own shoots for their World Shoot.

[00:22:24] [SPEAKER_05]: Then you go back to being AA then maybe they're rest of their year, their expectations are more in line with their ability.

[00:22:31] [SPEAKER_05]: But yeah, I mean half of master class doesn't belong there.

[00:22:36] [SPEAKER_05]: Half of AA doesn't belong in AA.

[00:22:39] [SPEAKER_05]: It's you come you can come shoot here at a monthly shoot and we have 250 people.

[00:22:44] [SPEAKER_05]: We're giving away punches like they're nothing.

[00:22:47] [SPEAKER_05]: If there's people in B class that have shot for two years and maybe have shot H-U-S, you know.

[00:22:56] [SPEAKER_05]: They're not going to go to B class at Nationals in Dowell or at a US Open or at a regional.

[00:23:04] [SPEAKER_05]: It's a hard thing.

[00:23:07] [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, that's where it really counts as the fire-acrucible of competition.

[00:23:14] [SPEAKER_03]: That gets these guys squared away.

[00:23:18] [SPEAKER_03]: And there's it's, I don't know how to say this, but for the most part we have a very skewed because Brett will admit this one is there's a big variance of target difficulty.

[00:23:35] [SPEAKER_03]: Guy that makes master class shooting targets or you know they're not very good or they're very easy.

[00:23:43] [SPEAKER_03]: He makes master and he shows up at my place, Brad, David's so on and so forth.

[00:23:48] [SPEAKER_03]: And all of a sudden, he shoots 60s.

[00:23:50] [SPEAKER_03]: Well guess what, you're really not a master, he's it but the time in too long to shoot.

[00:23:56] [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, is that a hard statement to make?

[00:23:59] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know Brett, what do you think?

[00:24:01] [SPEAKER_05]: We spent, we've we got the Ronald McDonald charity shoot this week, Friday and Saturday and there'll be 350 fairly new shooters there.

[00:24:11] [SPEAKER_05]: We sent, we set, I don't know, 25 stations today to get ready for that.

[00:24:15] [SPEAKER_05]: There will still be a third of those people these are the easiest targets you've ever seen in your life anywhere.

[00:24:21] [SPEAKER_05]: There'll be a third of them that don't hit 15% of the birds and and a third may never ever hit a clay target ever in their life.

[00:24:33] [SPEAKER_05]: And you know, had had you take them to your gun club one month, one, you know, two days a month they could be in B class in a year.

[00:24:42] [SPEAKER_05]: You know, it just you can you can get up that fast if the skill levels are just so desperately separated.

[00:24:50] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, you know.

[00:24:52] [SPEAKER_03]: And that's a problem with it is there such a mean obviously sporty place I mean Brett what was your number on main event for the US Open.

[00:25:03] [SPEAKER_05]: Oh, is that true?

[00:25:04] [SPEAKER_05]: No, shoot us a hundred nine nine hundred or something like that.

[00:25:09] [SPEAKER_03]: You're looking at nine fifty nine sixty seven you're looking at nine six seven you're looking at giant town.

[00:25:18] [SPEAKER_03]: For a while week, Brett cannot a club cannot take care of satisfy that many people there are people that cannot fucking shoot.

[00:25:30] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm sorry, I mean, it costs but you'll add it to shit, but there are people that cannot shoot.

[00:25:36] [SPEAKER_03]: So how do you handle that? What do you throw?

[00:25:41] [SPEAKER_03]: You know, somebody tells tells what the formula is and with all of them.

[00:25:45] [SPEAKER_03]: For the moment, I'm a little bit.

[00:25:48] [SPEAKER_05]: You just have to throw good targets and let the people come to one account.

[00:25:52] [SPEAKER_05]: I mean there's nothing you can do about it. You can't talk to him into it.

[00:25:54] [SPEAKER_05]: You don't want to talk to him into it.

[00:25:56] [SPEAKER_05]: There's people that complain about the size of the free shrimp.

[00:26:00] [SPEAKER_05]: You know, it's not a good habit.

[00:26:04] [SPEAKER_05]: Yes, no, I have one guy wrote in the poll that he only got.

[00:26:09] [SPEAKER_05]: So that was Thursday night it was cocktail party with advertisers.

[00:26:13] [SPEAKER_05]: He only got two slices of Melonati's peach.

[00:26:17] [SPEAKER_05]: So which is that's about a pound and a half.

[00:26:20] [SPEAKER_05]: Maybe two.

[00:26:21] [SPEAKER_05]: A lot of people and he's only and his complaint was that his first serving he could only get two pieces of pizza.

[00:26:29] [SPEAKER_05]: And he only got eight shrimp and two potatoes.

[00:26:34] [SPEAKER_05]: And then his complaint was, but then at the end of the night they had a bunch left over that they were giving away.

[00:26:39] [SPEAKER_05]: So I don't know. I mean, he's going to get complaints.

[00:26:42] [SPEAKER_05]: Some of them are.

[00:26:43] [SPEAKER_05]: I mean, we're valid some aren't you know, but it's not the kind of mood of this.

[00:26:48] [SPEAKER_03]: But two years ago, we, you know, we don't have the shrimp.

[00:26:52] [SPEAKER_03]: And then, and Marge, we don't have the shrimp.

[00:26:57] [SPEAKER_03]: And there was a guy upset because he didn't have shrimp.

[00:27:00] [SPEAKER_03]: And me being the petty bitch I am.

[00:27:03] [SPEAKER_03]: I messaged him.

[00:27:04] [SPEAKER_03]: And I'm like, hey, man, I'm really sorry you didn't get enough free shrimp.

[00:27:09] [SPEAKER_03]: He goes, excuse me.

[00:27:10] [SPEAKER_03]: Like, we don't need about a thousand bucks to the shrimp.

[00:27:15] [SPEAKER_03]: So before you're dinner, and he's like, well, that's a worse.

[00:27:18] [SPEAKER_03]: I said, why is that worse?

[00:27:21] [SPEAKER_03]: That I'm like, well, but you don't need it.

[00:27:23] [SPEAKER_03]: You didn't give enough.

[00:27:24] [SPEAKER_03]: I said, we gave away a couple bucks for the shrimp.

[00:27:30] [SPEAKER_03]: And you are mad.

[00:27:31] [SPEAKER_03]: Is that the first time you've had shrimp?

[00:27:34] [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, that's, I mean, you can't make a man.

[00:27:38] [SPEAKER_03]: You can't make everybody happy.

[00:27:40] [SPEAKER_03]: You take care of the guys, you're best to get in.

[00:27:42] [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, I said, you are so good.

[00:27:45] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm sorry.

[00:27:46] [SPEAKER_03]: I've done this shit for 34 years, 35 years.

[00:27:52] [SPEAKER_03]: It was a good camp, good shoot.

[00:27:55] [SPEAKER_03]: You know, I mean, what, what else do you want?

[00:27:59] [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, Disney World is in Florida, man.

[00:28:00] [SPEAKER_03]: If you want to, you know, whatever, you know,

[00:28:04] [SPEAKER_03]: you want to have some good mass fun, go to Disney World.

[00:28:07] [SPEAKER_03]: Or rest of it.

[00:28:08] [SPEAKER_03]: We're going to do the best we can.

[00:28:09] [SPEAKER_07]: I mean, hopefully I'm not speaking too much for Brett.

[00:28:11] [SPEAKER_07]: What you should do is the next time you have a big shoot like that regional US Open, whatever.

[00:28:18] [SPEAKER_07]: As you should, you know, have the course set and then have a practice day on the course.

[00:28:23] [SPEAKER_07]: On the course as you're going to shoot the next.

[00:28:25] [SPEAKER_05]: But you know what's funny.

[00:28:27] [SPEAKER_05]: I was funny.

[00:28:27] [SPEAKER_05]: You mentioned that because we had several of the instructors stuck around Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday after the shoot.

[00:28:35] [SPEAKER_05]: And, you know, some of the pro shooters and a lot of just regular shooters.

[00:28:38] [SPEAKER_05]: And two of them, they came in and said Monday or Tuesday said, man, it wasn't that hard.

[00:28:45] [SPEAKER_05]: I mean, if you people don't just, you know, people discount the tunnel vision and all the psychological and physical things that happen to them when they're in competition, you know,

[00:28:59] [SPEAKER_05]: if you see people, people shoot 90% Pride A Saturday and 70% on Sunday.

[00:29:05] [SPEAKER_05]: I mean, that's not a change in Tariah.

[00:29:07] [SPEAKER_05]: So there's those things that that happened to people in during competition.

[00:29:13] [SPEAKER_05]: But it was pretty interesting that it was a very shootable course if you weren't trying to win the US Open on a Tuesday or Wednesday.

[00:29:22] [SPEAKER_03]: You know, I mean, I mean, I fall in a double round, you know, I watch dub shoot every day.

[00:29:31] [SPEAKER_03]: For the most part, there is belly.

[00:29:35] [SPEAKER_03]: There's belly or dome.

[00:29:37] [SPEAKER_03]: And if you better round, I mean, you give me a belly target.

[00:29:43] [SPEAKER_03]: That's 40 40 40 yards target. You still got belly shoot at.

[00:29:48] [SPEAKER_03]: There wasn't as there wasn't bullshit out there that you had to look for the target.

[00:29:54] [SPEAKER_03]: It was just the US Open.

[00:29:56] [SPEAKER_03]: It was farther. It was faster, but you still had meat to hit.

[00:30:01] [SPEAKER_03]: If that makes sense, I don't know, in my role on that bread, there was still meat on those targets.

[00:30:06] [SPEAKER_05]: No, there was very, there was maybe one or two stations, I think, that had more zeros than you would want.

[00:30:16] [SPEAKER_05]: You know, and it wasn't like there was a million zeros on it, but, you know, people that maybe should have taken shot twice at one bird.

[00:30:23] [SPEAKER_05]: You know, I'm taking a three or four instead of a zero.

[00:30:28] [SPEAKER_07]: There's a lot of that for the people that weren't there, what stations were those and what targets were there.

[00:30:34] [SPEAKER_05]: Well, there was a true pair of bad twos on the CTV course that, you know, a little, a little puffer wind would do something to them.

[00:30:44] [SPEAKER_05]: Guys were, guys were breaking the back back to whether shooting at the front one.

[00:30:48] [SPEAKER_05]: It was, they were big, they were big fast birds. And, you know, a smart guy on a windy day might have said, okay, I'm just going to take that for out one twice.

[00:30:57] [SPEAKER_05]: That's to the trying to make a bad move on to them and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and,

[00:31:02] [SPEAKER_05]: Great, yeah, great pair. You know, you've been happy, you've been happy with a three or four walkin' out of there anybody would have been.

[00:31:10] [SPEAKER_05]: But again, and again, that's, that's one station. It's one station out of 36.

[00:31:16] [SPEAKER_05]: There's a, there was a true pair off of tower that, you know, just was so hit or miss it that you see three squads run it and then three squads take twos on it, which is just, okay, that's, that's kind of funny angle on it that you guys haven't seen this year, you know.

[00:31:36] [SPEAKER_03]: That, that bad two stationed up, missed to, he had fun shooting it. He was fun. Yeah, you know, I'm going back to, you know, was that a three pair station?

[00:31:46] [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[00:31:48] [SPEAKER_03]: How old is he? He's 15 now. He walked up there, he missed it. Yeah, he's not a bit.

[00:31:54] [SPEAKER_03]: He had a pair. He missed the first one corrected in a pair. Got a little tight short of the next one. He missed it.

[00:32:02] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, you know, I mean, he didn't give a shit because he's not a bitch.

[00:32:06] [SPEAKER_05]: But it goes down to, it goes down to shooting targets that you know, are you happy to hit him or are you heartbroken you missed them? You know, it's two different types of targets.

[00:32:16] [SPEAKER_03]: You know, he was, you know, he loaded some traps. He had to go up. He did whatever he wanted. He was happy to be there.

[00:32:24] [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, I mean, let's face it guys. This is your vacation. Now if your vacation and join in a verification is that you have to hit a bunch of targets.

[00:32:34] [SPEAKER_03]: There's other shoots out there. But for the most part, you're shooting. You're hanging out with your buddies. You're eating some fucking pizza. Sorry, not because of my end of the shit.

[00:32:43] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't care. But I mean, when they throw the dirt in your face and they fill in that dash with an end date, why do you upset?

[00:32:55] [SPEAKER_03]: You know, are you your enjoyment on the score you break? They're strapping like breast set. They're Travis Keith.

[00:33:01] [SPEAKER_03]: If yourself worth in your enjoyment is based on a numerical value, then go shoot that find some place else. It was a good shoot.

[00:33:11] [SPEAKER_03]: It was a dance at you. You know, it was so great. It's good. You had snacks. Not only did you have snacks, you had other stuff in the snacks that made it look more busy.

[00:33:26] [SPEAKER_02]: You know, I got a treat.

[00:33:27] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, yeah, there was snacks. There were snacks.

[00:33:31] [SPEAKER_01]: There were snacks. There were snacks.

[00:33:36] [SPEAKER_03]: With you, with you leaves and whatever the shit they put on a little talk to me.

[00:33:46] [SPEAKER_01]: What do you want?

[00:33:48] [SPEAKER_01]: Man, you had John Spinnellet's wife out there putting together little stack tables.

[00:33:54] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, come on, man.

[00:33:55] [SPEAKER_05]: So in the PGA or in when they have programs and maybe maybe what we have to realize is we're throwing pro-AMS now.

[00:34:06] [SPEAKER_05]: They get a different T. I mean, is that is that a solution that we could have a little who five yards up for, you know, like they look the five standard at, you know, at national.

[00:34:17] [SPEAKER_05]: You have a H.R.E. whoop and a AA, I don't you whoop and then now you're having two events. So now your main event is, you know, 400 people and 400 people.

[00:34:32] [SPEAKER_03]: But, I mean, you heard my bullshit about why national class became a mass class and why mass class all of a sudden became, hey, we only need to get it right?

[00:34:43] [SPEAKER_03]: Right. Right. Right. Yeah. Yep. So like, you know, so we need to get these guys out here that actually care and work at the sport because we need to win.

[00:34:55] [SPEAKER_03]: Let's put a mass class, we put a mass class, ball fuck, you know, blah, blah, blah.

[00:35:00] [SPEAKER_03]: And then the next thing you know, everybody's like, wait a second, AA is done as cool as master, we need to be a mass class.

[00:35:07] [SPEAKER_03]: So they argue what we need to be more punches so all of a sudden everybody's getting some gauge down there in mass class.

[00:35:14] [SPEAKER_03]: Well, I'm mass class, but I'm still losing because obviously, you know, put the work into it or suck whatever we need to have the mass class and pro class.

[00:35:23] [SPEAKER_03]: Well, what's going to happen when the pro class, all the guys in a mass class that want to measure their ego based on whatever their letter says,

[00:35:32] [SPEAKER_03]: you know, right? Am I wrong on this one? You know, it's kind of like, where's the end on this one?

[00:35:38] [SPEAKER_03]: You know, in the end of the day, it's what score you shoot. It's competition.

[00:35:44] [SPEAKER_05]: So what is, what is a, what does a pro shoot at the US Open call and what would a good, a good decent amateur with a job shoot on that same course with them would it be a,

[00:36:01] [SPEAKER_05]: you should, a pro with shoot at 69 and that guy would shoot 100. Is that fair? I don't play golf, I mean, that's just, I mean, I'm just, I'm just guess, I don't play golf either, but I think, you know, they shoot under par and guys shoot 100 all the time.

[00:36:19] [SPEAKER_05]: So I mean, so this 40 point difference there in, you know, out of 40 points out of 70. So I don't, I don't know how ours for to suppose to be much closer than that.

[00:36:33] [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, you mean the call on an institute and do a psychological study of this stuff because it's.

[00:36:40] [SPEAKER_05]: If you're setting for score, you're pandering to me, you're pandering to probably the lowest common denominator of your sports men and women are out there.

[00:36:51] [SPEAKER_05]: If you throw good targets, quality targets that they can get miss or learn something from then you're doing your job. I don't have a lot. I don't have a lot of flexibility personally on that.

[00:37:03] [SPEAKER_07]: He's done. He's not wrong. And what, what tournament in your opinion Brett is, you know, which one is the most prestigious ostracite?

[00:37:13] [SPEAKER_05]: I think that to probably our nationals and our US open are probably equal to typically two very different shoots.

[00:37:21] [SPEAKER_05]: Nationals is more of a natural ground and call it the world's largest one shoot, but there's a there's enough meat on there to test pretty much everybody.

[00:37:32] [SPEAKER_05]: The fact that it's you know, the fact that it's over four days adds a certain, you know, as a definite difficulty trying to keep it together for four days trying not to not to have a your bad day, be a really bad day.

[00:37:46] [SPEAKER_05]: And the US open is just I think historically been just as prestigious, you know, because and because the targets have typically been more difficult.

[00:37:58] [SPEAKER_05]: And the effect that it travel.

[00:38:00] [SPEAKER_07]: You know, the main argument with an office argument, but you know, you hear, what did it cater to all the classes?

[00:38:11] [SPEAKER_03]: There's classes for reason, there are classes for reasons. You know, I mean it's like you know, use to be the used to be averages for the classes more they should break down.

[00:38:24] [SPEAKER_03]: But it's a what do you want to be class of the 90.

[00:38:30] [SPEAKER_03]: You know, what are your expectations goes back to expectations? What is your expectations? Well, are we shooting 120 targets or we're shooting 100 right.

[00:38:39] [SPEAKER_03]: We're shooting our birth event where she'd Northburg we shooting this club or shoot this club is you know, natural has been a really great shoot, but it's a different dynamic.

[00:38:50] [SPEAKER_03]: Right, you go look at the scores score, you know, three hundred targets. So we're four days like breast said what should the score be? You know, the years and years past when it's been too hard.

[00:39:04] [SPEAKER_03]: They have sent out of apology letter.

[00:39:07] [SPEAKER_03]: Right, what year was that they sent out the letter that said we apologize, we'll target B and do hard was it 99.

[00:39:13] [SPEAKER_05]: I don't remember maybe maybe it wasn't.

[00:39:18] [SPEAKER_03]: They in that timeframe there's different expectations.

[00:39:23] [SPEAKER_05]: Well, let's see if that's the objective of that shoot too is to be you know, it's that is a shoot for everyone, you know, I think it's why they get to play the 2400 people it's I mean it's it's that story.

[00:39:40] [SPEAKER_05]: It's not the only way to be successful.

[00:39:43] [SPEAKER_03]: Correct, and that's that's what we got to look at it is are we consider our success by the number of shooters looking at the score or what you know I mean nationals is a different dynamic in the regionals US open world fantastic so on and so forth.

[00:40:02] [SPEAKER_07]: That's a good question Gary right.

[00:40:04] [SPEAKER_07]: I mean, it's it's a question. How do you measure this success of a shoot how would you measure success with the Koompecker site and how would you measure success of a major tournament at Northburg? I mean how do you measure the success? I'm going to everybody's different as far as good back or goes is I mean we measure our success very very easy.

[00:40:26] [SPEAKER_03]: We were sold out within less than three weeks of it going up on score, Chaser. So we opened a March whatever my March 27th it was sold out so I'm figuring we did something wrong or it's right but in less three weeks it was sold out so that's where I'm saying my success is Brett what do you think?

[00:40:56] [SPEAKER_05]: I think that you know a good shoot has to it has to run smooth it has to be on time the targets have to be worth shooting have to be fun to shoot has to be competitive.

[00:41:10] [SPEAKER_05]: And you know has to have all the amenities that you know that we've come to expect and we expect weeks back more every year you know people that's a good thing that's a good thing that you know people want people want more and then use one to give them more.

[00:41:25] [SPEAKER_05]: We have to be I think a little careful what we expect out of some places that you know really you know you go to people go to a club and any club and they complain about this data the other you know but you know not enough bathrooms or something and realize that hey you just gave this guy 50 bucks to go speed let on his property.

[00:41:47] [SPEAKER_05]: You know he probably doesn't need to 50 bucks and he's doing it because he likes it so maybe maybe you don't have to.

[00:41:55] [SPEAKER_05]: Ask him why there's not a eight port of pot he's on a Tuesday when you're out there you know so.

[00:42:01] [SPEAKER_06]: I mean.

[00:42:03] [SPEAKER_05]: You could run some you could run some of the smaller people out and some of the people that are trying to grow if we don't you know you got to give them a little break here and there.

[00:42:10] [SPEAKER_05]: You know I think the bigger I mean you're talking that have done a lot of these shoots don't need any excuses and they don't need to be.

[00:42:19] [SPEAKER_05]: You know you don't have to be soft on them but I think some of the places like the newer places that are doing regional and stuff in state shoots we should cut them a little slack don't get better.

[00:42:30] [SPEAKER_03]: The the quality of a lot of it is whatever you did extra this year is now the standards.

[00:42:42] [SPEAKER_03]: For the next year.

[00:42:44] [SPEAKER_03]: So if you give you know whatever you know an omelet bar on station seven everybody thinks that's cool.

[00:42:53] [SPEAKER_03]: The next year if there if I don't have a Denver on my station eight this is a bullshit shoot.

[00:43:01] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah you're mushroom to camp Gary I noticed that yeah your your my you really this is all we have as port of bellow there's not shutaki this is bullshit.

[00:43:12] [SPEAKER_03]: You know it's it's an exaggeration but it is true.

[00:43:16] [SPEAKER_03]: You know it's I mean Lord I said but now this a few years.

[00:43:22] [SPEAKER_03]: If they had water coolers on the course not water bottles water coolers that may or may not been clean now.

[00:43:33] [SPEAKER_03]: You know you're you know that was it that was quite a nice little touch.

[00:43:38] [SPEAKER_03]: Now if you don't have water that's a pH of 7.4 but no more than an 8.3 this is this is horrible.

[00:43:50] [SPEAKER_03]: So it's just what people expect I think we expect too much like Brett said we don't give the smaller shoots a little bit of the way.

[00:44:01] [SPEAKER_03]: You know Lord you're shooting a shot your breaking bottle.

[00:44:06] [SPEAKER_03]: You've got to can't am with a yeti cooler it's a crew cab it's got the double refrigerant air conditioning and the massaging seat.

[00:44:17] [SPEAKER_03]: But you're worried that on you know station three the was you know I will say this.

[00:44:26] [SPEAKER_03]: I had a guy upset that there wasn't enough ice in the coolers on the super sport.

[00:44:36] [SPEAKER_03]: Not there was a nice not there wasn't water there wasn't a nice wasn't enough ice.

[00:44:44] [SPEAKER_03]: The dude had a 1500 ranger.

[00:44:47] [SPEAKER_03]: So that's what if you want that house and bucks.

[00:44:51] [SPEAKER_03]: Hey you.

[00:44:52] [SPEAKER_03]: She didn't have really nice gun but we didn't have enough ice out.

[00:44:58] [SPEAKER_03]: We should look yeah we should look inwardly at ourselves instead of crashing a club that Mike Brett said your pay me 50 bucks to put.

[00:45:08] [SPEAKER_07]: Let out on my property so brick let me get this right you didn't have enough ice you didn't have big enough front you didn't have enough pizza.

[00:45:15] [SPEAKER_05]: We had you know we did get back the NSEA poll that they take and it was a good sampling is about the third of the shooters.

[00:45:25] [SPEAKER_05]: Took the poll and it was I mean a hundred times more positive than negative and just kind of Gary and I got we were just kind of shot clink because I gave him a call and I gave people a lot of calls and we read over each other's.

[00:45:39] [SPEAKER_05]: And there's just like some real there's just crazy stuff in there but you know mostly you get a comment the targets were perfect you get a comment that targets were a little too hard you get.

[00:45:49] [SPEAKER_05]: Comment I'm never coming back to targets were ridiculous you know but way more positive and all you know our little rankings were all 4.5 which is 15 on that whole.

[00:46:02] [SPEAKER_05]: Great and excellent so you know I was real happy with all that we're just.

[00:46:07] [SPEAKER_05]: I know it's kind of just what got me and Gary.

[00:46:11] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I'm worrying about it was just some of the some of the crazy comments you got you know like I think we had.

[00:46:16] [SPEAKER_05]: We had 55 four to parties which is a promise you more than anybody else has had at a US open.

[00:46:24] [SPEAKER_05]: And there was one spot on the set of age in the middle of one of the two 12 stations subgaged courses didn't get a port of party.

[00:46:34] [SPEAKER_05]: And somebody got it got on the pole and complained for a part of page and a half that the polar had to walk back four stations to go to the bathroom and they had to wait.

[00:46:45] [SPEAKER_05]: For you know so it's like it's like like it could there was there was 80 to 10 out of that 500 responses that were just they were we're reading out loud.

[00:46:56] [SPEAKER_03]: It's awesome. I mean you know like said don't don't kid yourself we're not taking this to heart it's crazy.

[00:47:05] [SPEAKER_03]: I mean the stuff that you hear it was a good shoot.

[00:47:11] [SPEAKER_03]: You know it was a great shoot the weather was great everything worked great.

[00:47:17] [SPEAKER_03]: But there are unhappy people in this work.

[00:47:22] [SPEAKER_03]: And that's that's the tough part when you give a kick when you care as Brett does all of us does David break away Anthony.

[00:47:31] [SPEAKER_03]: You care it's still going to get with you like really.

[00:47:36] [SPEAKER_03]: You know I'm sorry sir as Liam Schumaker said one time the couldn't back how much free do you want me for the most part yeah look at it and go like.

[00:47:46] [SPEAKER_03]: Dude we didn't set out to try to ruin your day this was not our intention you know especially somebody had it been there at the shoot but obviously had.

[00:47:58] [SPEAKER_03]: This death the knowledge crunched the numbers of why we did a bad job.

[00:48:03] [SPEAKER_03]: We didn't wake up that morning go like how can we ruin this guy's day.

[00:48:10] [SPEAKER_03]: Everybody tries there's not many shoots that in my in Brett's life and then if our anybody set out to ruin somebody's day no they're trying to do the best possible shoot.

[00:48:24] [SPEAKER_03]: That they can't you know it's you know it's crazy but people seem to have think we have them but that but whatever it is worth.

[00:48:35] [SPEAKER_07]: It's that cowboy hat you wear or whatever the thing is you scared.

[00:48:41] [SPEAKER_05]: You put on half bags of ice too.

[00:48:45] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah I'm much harder to do because I woke up that morning and I was like you know what there's a do with a 50 thousand dollar ranger and what I'm going to do is and we're put less Tommy and I sat around all night long what we do Tommy we don't put enough ice out.

[00:49:06] [SPEAKER_03]: Tommy's like yeah that's what we do and it was all it was it was a good sparesy to deprive a guy that is literally shooting a hobby I'm going to roll up in a hundred fifty thousand dollars worth equipment to win this but I'm here to ruin your day with ice with ice because that's what we thought of all night.

[00:49:27] [SPEAKER_05]: Maybe we should we probably could have got more mosquitoes and that could have taken the heat off the ice guys.

[00:49:33] [SPEAKER_03]: You know I brought the whole camper shell full of mosquitoes I had them all way down there they were trained.

[00:49:41] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah here we are I'm sorry guys I could hang it we used to we used to in building trades we would leave like the front door off the building for the inspector you know you leave such as something glaring formed of mind and the way you didn't see all the other.

[00:49:57] [SPEAKER_05]: Mr. Farad just you know something really obvious formed a bus gentleman you could fix easily maybe we should do something like that big public puddle in front of registration or something.

[00:50:07] [SPEAKER_03]: Something something you know I said I like you know like M&Ms what are you talking about there's not I have a peanut an algebra is a peanut out M&M sir.

[00:50:20] [SPEAKER_03]: You know there's twelve other by there's there's there's 50 others non peanut M&Ms in the in the basket but.

[00:50:29] [SPEAKER_03]: You know you've run my weekend they give you a hundred bucks for your targets and all that but they want to hundred ten dollars worth of enjoyment back you know it is crazy but whatever man we do or.

[00:50:43] [SPEAKER_05]: You know for free free golf cuts at the CPO you.

[00:50:48] [SPEAKER_03]: We had drivers for them I hired 40 to drive people around.

[00:50:55] [SPEAKER_05]: You know I have I actually I had one comment we had with like six or eight shuttle drivers and one of the comments that forgot about correct me up so we had shuttle stations with flags.

[00:51:06] [SPEAKER_05]: And it's said and it was like shuttle station number one it was way over the top organized our whatever members was in charge of the shuttles so you had a big the big balloon flags you know the big vertical flags and say shuttle station number one.

[00:51:21] [SPEAKER_05]: So stop number one there be a little tag there with the phone number to call for a shuttle.

[00:51:28] [SPEAKER_05]: If if there wasn't one drive and buy and this guy one guy said.

[00:51:34] [SPEAKER_05]: In this thing.

[00:51:35] [SPEAKER_05]: I had to call to get a shuttle and it took eight minutes for him to get here you know the place to place a seven hundred fifty acres.

[00:51:43] [SPEAKER_05]: Well yeah I've never I've never got to a shirt shoot and I guess I have and I've taken the shuttle but I never expected it to be there when I walked off to station you know I don't it was it was odd to me.

[00:51:57] [SPEAKER_03]: You know it was we were sitting out there on the feet noise world.

[00:52:04] [SPEAKER_03]: The task and I was just it's drove out of the talk to you know one of the guys are problematic and there's a lady comes by and she goes.

[00:52:12] [SPEAKER_03]: I want you know that that my last park last big ran out of targets.

[00:52:18] [SPEAKER_03]: I said cool I said man I don't load the target she was well we ran out and I want you know and she kind of pointed at me and I was like once again man.

[00:52:33] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't load the target it's like they're unhappy.

[00:52:40] [SPEAKER_03]: They want to tell you they're unhappy but they're really not unhappy because the shoot.

[00:52:46] [SPEAKER_03]: You know their goal fish stop loving them is really the reason they're upset.

[00:52:52] [SPEAKER_03]: Once again that's a shit do anything about you right you know my cat won't talk to me anymore.

[00:52:57] [SPEAKER_07]: What what why do you have so many porta potty's at Northbrook.

[00:53:01] [SPEAKER_05]: I think it's the incontinence yeah there's a lot of senior bats lot of super bats around here and they're only good.

[00:53:08] [SPEAKER_05]: They're only good for about 15 steps 20 steps.

[00:53:11] [SPEAKER_05]: So we'd like to have every 10 yards or so.

[00:53:15] [SPEAKER_03]: See that's the thing about Brett is he looks he sees who's all coming.

[00:53:21] [SPEAKER_03]: He does a lot of quantifying he looks at the demographic he realizes now that we have an aging population.

[00:53:28] [SPEAKER_03]: In the shooting sport the average age is going up so Brett changes what the amount of porta potty's.

[00:53:37] [SPEAKER_05]: So I think it's longer to take there they're in the porta pie longer to so you need one.

[00:53:43] [SPEAKER_05]: You know closer for the next guy.

[00:53:45] [SPEAKER_05]: You kind of get a stick and then figured out.

[00:53:48] [SPEAKER_05]: I mean you're going to see the local look we've got longer rhythms and stuff that we work on for that haven't you talked about.

[00:53:56] [SPEAKER_07]: I have an a porta potty open or something like that one time.

[00:53:59] [SPEAKER_05]: They all do it very bomb open yeah we were going to be give everybody a cherry bomb and they're on port of potty and see who's left.

[00:54:05] [SPEAKER_03]: I mean basically they're going to put a porta potty at the station so you can be using the facilities and shooting the same time.

[00:54:13] [SPEAKER_03]: I mean round break the problem is is once he does that in the next year that'll be standard and they'll be people complaining.

[00:54:23] [SPEAKER_05]: The other there's there's there are two small to get a cooler in to so the guys got to step out to get a cold drink or a lukewarm drink if it's one of Jerry Gary's courses.

[00:54:34] [SPEAKER_03]: You know, so you know, I was unable to vacate my.

[00:54:40] [SPEAKER_03]: It's while shooting stations seven. What are we animals at least we didn't have adjunct birds of the sun.

[00:54:47] [SPEAKER_05]: What's your next shoot shoot just and where you going next? I'm going to the nationals.

[00:54:51] [SPEAKER_03]: I'll go next year with this year. We're fishing.

[00:54:54] [SPEAKER_03]: It's a good shoot it's run well it's efficient.

[00:54:58] [SPEAKER_03]: You know once again manage expectations the average guy coming into that shoot expect to break a very good score.

[00:55:06] [SPEAKER_03]: You know, what did you say, Brett 2400 people?

[00:55:10] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. I think they're above that already.

[00:55:13] [SPEAKER_03]: That's a monster.

[00:55:15] [SPEAKER_03]: That's a lot to get done.

[00:55:18] [SPEAKER_03]: You can't blow my own targets so they bring you know, I said they're pretty much as they got the guys that let's row what they're used to.

[00:55:28] [SPEAKER_05]: What did what did them and have this year for the world English like 1800 something like that?

[00:55:33] [SPEAKER_05]: That's a huge but that's all I got for you. Not boys. That's all I got.

[00:55:37] [SPEAKER_05]: Right. Oh, yeah. That was plenty.

[00:55:40] [SPEAKER_05]: Thank you Eric. Now think Eric from helping us out of the shoe. We really couldn't have had that event without them would have been much easier.

[00:55:50] [SPEAKER_03]: You could go home with scouts of street to handle my job.

[00:55:54] [SPEAKER_03]: Not G-deft.

[00:55:54] [SPEAKER_03]: Pretty much.

[00:55:56] [SPEAKER_03]: So G-deft requires.

[00:55:58] [SPEAKER_03]: There's lots out of hollocks.

[00:56:01] [SPEAKER_03]: Getting out of the shoe.

[00:56:03] [SPEAKER_07]: Oh, I got a thanks. I appreciate it.

[00:56:04] [SPEAKER_07]: All right. We'll see you somewhere next time.

[00:56:07] [SPEAKER_07]: See you soon.

[00:56:08] [SPEAKER_07]: Bye. See you.