On today's show, we talk with the founder of the Clay Lab Network, Jereme Tayamen, a guy whose goal is to create a community around the sport. From balancing a full-time job to shooting shotguns and pistols competitively to creating and growing a clay shooting content hub, Jereme's story is a testament to following your passion and shooting for success.
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Instagram on the show today I have the guy that's behind the
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clay lab and the clay lab network.
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Speaker 2: He's a pretty interesting guy that focuses a
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lot of his time on making the sport better, whether it be by
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podcast or his YouTube channel.
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Please welcome to the show, jeremy Tyeman jareem.
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What's up, man?
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What's going on, dad?
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Yeah, so, uh, I call him jareem and that's not his name.
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His name's jeremy, but if you look at the way he spells it,
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I'm sure that a lot of people get it confused with a bunch of
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different names, am I right?
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Speaker 3: They do.
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Yeah, I get dream.
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I get Jerome sometimes, uh, but it's definitely Jeremy, but I'm
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good with either.
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Or because the score is good.
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Scorecard is going to say the same any way, right?
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Speaker 2: Do you correct them when they say it no?
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Speaker 3: I just roll with it.
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So it is what it is.
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Speaker 2: So then your last name is tyeman correct.
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Yeah, jeremy tyeman, that's right all right, so jeremy is is
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.
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I guess you're now.
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I know the clay lab.
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Jeremy's is the clay lab now, right yes, that's correct.
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So it started back a couple years ago with a few other guys
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and and now you're, I guess, the voice behind it, you're the
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videographer, the photographer, the commentator, or whatever you
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want to call it.
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You do it all, and you don't just do that.
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You have a full-time job and you shoot.
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I mean, life's busy, right?
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You got into pistol shooting too yeah, I really did.
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Speaker 3: Life has been pretty busy, but I think it's kind of a
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self-induced way, but you're absolutely right, uh, when uh
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kind of getting into it like the clay lab, like how it started,
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was four guys, like four guys that just like kind of fell in
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love with the sport itself, and it was me, scott, jeremy and, uh
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, our buddy named cj.
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And then we had, you know, we just had a really good time.
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We'd gone through the internet looking for content.
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One of the big things was we found you.
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That's how we found you was digging for content, because all
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of us kind of have like a research background, you know
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kind of oriented type job, so all of us like dug through what
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was out there on the internet and of course, naturally, you
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found shotgun sports usa.
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I literally can tell you I've listened to every single podcast
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you have ever published, right, probably multiple times.
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So well, if that's good or bad, but you know, no, it's good,
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it's good uh.
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And then so we, we eventually got serious and at that point my
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buddy cj, you know who introduced me to this sport, he
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takes credit for all of that stuff.
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So anything I ever do in this sport he wants to take credit
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for, which is awesome because he's a good friend.
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Um, but it really just turned into when we got serious about
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the clay lab is, it was scott, jeremy and me and I do get a lot
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of questions, so I'm glad you brought that up about where
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those guys kind of went.
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Um, yeah, so if you're good with it, I'll kind of go into
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that question right now.
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Yeah, yeah.
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So, uh, essentially, uh, we had gone through, we did our thing,
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absolutely loved doing what we did, but life happened right.
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So scott scott's an ent doctor, like he had an awesome
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opportunity to to go off and fulfill a fellowship.
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So, you know, it made absolute sense and, of course, like in
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doing this kind of thing, like running a youtube channel and
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kind of like building the brand and helping out, build this
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sport, like it's very time intensive and he was really, you
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know, doing the brunt of a lot of the work.
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And then Jeremy really just wanted to spend a lot more time
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with his family, which was awesome.
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Can't fault him for that, because he was.
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He's a great family man, he's just a good dude in general.
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So, at basically at the end of the day, you know, near the end
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of last year we kind of like settled on.
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You know, we don't want this thing to die and I am more than
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happy to take this thing on because I kind of had ideas for
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what the clay lab I thought should probably grow into,
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because I know there's a lot of things that we wanted to do and
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then people had asked us to do.
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Even so, I was kind of able to just take it on at that point
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and grow it into what I saw fit, and naturally, as a planner
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cause that's what I do my background is I'm a I'm a United
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States Marine Corps officer.
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I do planning for a living is I was like wait, I can turn this
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thing, I think, into something that people would absolutely
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love.
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The sport deserves Right and run with it.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, You've done a good job with it.
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You know when?
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Uh, I think I hit y'all up back when you started the clay lab I
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don't know how many.
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I mean it was, it was new and someone called me.
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You remember that oh.
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Speaker 3: I do.
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Speaker 2: Absolutely yeah.
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Someone called me and said have you seen this?
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And I said no, so as soon as I watched it, I I don't know who I
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messaged.
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Uh message probably scott, and uh got in touch with y'all.
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That's how I met you guys and and y'all did a great job with
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it as a team.
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But I think you're doing a good job, an excellent job with it.
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Now, solo, considering that you don't have, you know, time,
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that if you take time that three or four people have and put it
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together, it's a whole lot more time than one person.
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You know what I mean.
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So I think you're doing a really good job with it, man.
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Speaker 3: So no, I appreciate it and really right back at you
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and that's not me being, you know, facetious or anything like
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that I like dead serious, because I know what kind of
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commitment it takes to do this.
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Speaker 2: Just like shooting the sport itself Like I don't
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think anybody's doing anything in this sport for the money,
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like you truly have to have a passion to do anything in this
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sport, whether that's shooting it or trying to help grow the
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thing, like.
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But that's why we all love this thing, yeah.
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So, yeah, I really do appreciate.
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Yeah, it's definitely uh, you have to want to see it grow, to
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continue to do something like this or like what you're doing,
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uh, and you have to constantly stay on top of it.
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Speaker 3: You know know what's going on, where and when and how
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and why and uh, yeah, there's so many things changing at once
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when it comes to the sport, like at some point, like somebody's
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the champion, then literally somebody out of nowhere could be
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the new guy on top right, or there's a new gun coming out
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that everybody's just gotta have .
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There's just so many things that change.
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You know, in this game and information is king, I think- oh
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yeah, and you're traveling around.
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It seems like more now than you were when y'all were together,
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you know yeah, absolutely yeah, and it's kind of a bittersweet
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right like so when it's now that it's just me, I really kind of
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get to do my own thing.
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I create my own plans to execute, and it allows me I
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don't have to ask permission or anything like that.
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I can just kind of, you know, see what I think people want and
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try to deliver it the best I can.
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So, yeah, it's kind of nice.
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Yeah, it's really busy.
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You know a lot.
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There's a lot that goes into either creating videos and those
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types of things, but like it's enjoyable, that's for sure.
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I spend a lot of time behind my computer, but every moment I
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spend behind a camera I'm actually out there really
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enjoying it.
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I'm not going to say I enjoy spending time behind a camera
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more than I do shooting Uh, cause shooting is definitely my
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passion.
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But uh, you know, doing this has definitely provided me with
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a lot of opportunities.
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Speaker 2: yeah, that's for sure oh well, now that you're doing
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what you're doing and shooting, you have to make time for both.
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You know what I'm saying.
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Like man, I sure do want to go shoot, make a break, but I
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really have to be down here on station one to get so and so
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shooting.
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You know you got to kind of sometimes.
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You have to make that choice.
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You know what I mean.
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Speaker 3: You know what I mean oh, I know exactly what you mean
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.
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I remember spending time at uh because last year that would be
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2023 was my first national championships like the first
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time I ever visited there, literally back to back, it was
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shooting an event, go film, shooting event, go film, like
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just all day, every day, just trying to gather content,
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because even if it didn't turn into a video, then the important
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part about just gathering uh footage, uh it's a big deal
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because it might be b-roll later in something else that people
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want to see.
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So, yeah, it was just back to back filming, but it's worth it
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okay.
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Speaker 2: So before we get into talking about you, uh, I've
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noticed that you've actually started a couple podcasts
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through the clay lab and I'm guessing that's kind of like the
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clay lab network or or whatever you want to call it.
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Uh, will funnel and kade feitchy right, or the two you
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started yeah, okay, so by you doing the videos and you have
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these extra podcasts or these other podcasts under the clay
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lab, I guess, guess you would say where do you want to see the
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clay lab moving towards?
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Speaker 3: solving a big problem that we initially had Right.
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So, um, the main part about why I reached out to do that was
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because we constantly got a lot of we want more.
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That was really what we got.
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Um, but we really would refuse to sacrifice on quality, and
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beforehand, trying to get all three of us together to do
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something to create a quality product was just a lot.
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So we really couldn't come together more often while we try
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to all work our professional jobs that we all have.
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So me, being a planner, I was just like these sounds like,
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sound like lines of effort to me .
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Okay.
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So if I could divide and conquer, with my main goal being
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providing the community with more high quality content on a
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more frequent basis, then that just makes sense to me.
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So I'm like okay, that clearly means I can't do this myself, so
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I'm gonna have to build a team and that's what I'm used to
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doing.
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Like, that's my background means I can't do this myself, so
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I'm going to have to build a team and that's what I'm used to
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doing.
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Like that's my background is I build teams to literally solve
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problems.
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So I literally went searching for the right people and already
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knew Will Fennell was going to be on the team because the
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dude's my mentor and coach.
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You know he's phenomenal at this type of stuff.
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So we did.
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I decided I really wanted to launch the podcast, to get more
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content out there on a frequent basis.
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So I took care of Will Fennell.
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The man has so much knowledge in his head that I could
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literally spend an entire decade just trying to capture the
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information, to try to spread it .
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Everything that he has learned from Dan Carlisle, which, of
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course, has been spread through people like Anthony Matariz and
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I'm not going to lie, I do give Will crap sometimes because I do
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say Anthony is actually my first coach, since I watched all
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his DVDs first.
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Right, I consider Anthony Matariz technically my first
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coach.
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Speaker 2: I'm surprised you didn't say Gil Ash.
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I know that you I know, I know for a fact that you went on
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YouTube when you first started and watch.
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Speaker 3: Gil.
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Speaker 2: Ash.
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Speaker 3: Oh, I did, I did, but I'm not quite sure.
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Speaker 2: It's just give me props.
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Come on, Jeremy.
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Speaker 3: He did a great job.
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Again, I'm going to give actually anybody props, anybody
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that's willing to put themselves out online and put themselves
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out on YouTube or in any sort of audio perspective.
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I'm going to give them props because it takes a lot to get
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out there.
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You're really vulnerable when you're out there in front of
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either a camera or behind a microphone.
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Speaker 2: You really are.
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Speaker 3: Because you have no idea where it's gonna go.
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Like you, what about you?
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Right, Like, how many different countries are you in?
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Like a lot.
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Speaker 2: Yes, it's a bunch.
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I don't know exactly what the number is A hundred and
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something.
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Speaker 1: I don't know, I didn't know a hundred and
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something countries could understand.
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Speaker 2: Understand what I was saying.
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Speaker 3: I think they accidentally clicked.
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They accidentally clicked on it .
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No, it's because they heard your buttery, smooth voice and
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they're like I've got to listen to this guy yeah, yeah, that's
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exactly what it is.
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Speaker 2: I'm surprised that Will Fennell is even able to
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record a podcast, because he has zero knowledge when it comes to
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technology.
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Speaker 3: Being technically inclined.
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Well, that's okay, though, because that's what I'm here for
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.
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So that's my part, that's my job, but his job he's too good
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at the information.
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He's got in his head, like I said, everything from how to
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shoot this game, which is super important he's just full of
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knowledge of, and especially because when we started this and
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we did a couple of videos out there with him and he's had so
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many different students, like I've had people coming back to
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me talking about you know what a great personality he is and
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he's actually genuine, and things like that because that's
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the last thing I want to do right is promote any sort of
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brand or person that is not gonna, that isn't genuine, and
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that's the best part about this sport is we get to work with a
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lot of different, really good brands, uh, and as well as
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companies and people, mostly because we know that this sport
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is probably more about the people than it is the sport
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itself.
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Would you agree or no?
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Speaker 2: yeah, I think the people, I think it's both really
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.
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I mean you got you have the sport, which is where the people
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go to you know to be a part of that sport and then that's where
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we meet them.
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So I think it's you know what I'm saying?
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It's it's good people in a good sport, you know?
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And, um, talking about Will, I went to Will's place.
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I don't know two, three, four whenever Jim Greenwood was there
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.
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And I'd never been there.
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It's a super place That'd be awesome to have in my backyard
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you know, unbelievable.
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So if you haven't been up to, where's he at South Carolina?
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Yep, he's in south carolina, oh yeah go check it out.
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Speaker 3: I went, yeah really, yeah, really close to rocky
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creek.
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Yeah, he's really close to rocky creek.
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Um, I think he's only like about an hour south of charlotte
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, but it's worth the drive and it takes me five hours to get
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there, but I make the haul because it's worth going out
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there.
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Besides, to make sure people I can spread his content, right,
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but, but, but.
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For me to personally get out there and shoot, because it's
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one of my favorite places to shoot, because he could throw
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anything out there.
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Yes, he's got all of the machines to actually teach me
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how to shoot this game, but then , on top of that, he's also
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willing to make me a big steak because I'm a meat person.
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Speaker 2: He's never made me a steak.
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What's up with that?
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Speaker 3: Well, you better ask him to make you a steak, because
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he's good at it.
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He can reverse, sear it and everything.
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He's got a guy that tells him exactly how to do it Goes to the
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butcher.
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I think I literally ate a three pound ribeye that he made me in
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one sitting with him on the carnivore diet.
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But yeah, no, it's legit.
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Speaker 2: So he's a good cook, great coach, great mentor, for
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sure yeah, okay, so let's let's get into to you a little bit.
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I know that, uh, you and your wife I see a lot of content
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about both of you shooting but before she started shooting, you
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started shooting and and tell me that kind of go through the
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road of of how you got to where you are now as far as shooting
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is concerned, how long ago was it?
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Speaker 3: Yeah, right on, yeah.
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So I can tell you right off the bat, I love my sponsors.
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My number one sponsor, though, is my wife.
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I think most people can probably say that, right,
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they're the ones that put up with us throughout this entire
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shooting journey, as we go through the highs and lows that
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this sport brings with it.
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But, really, I'll tie that back to CJ.
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Cj was my boss that I worked with, and he took me out skeet
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shooting for the first time back in like October of 2021.
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I think it was Yep, and he took me skeet shooting.
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It was the first time I'd really shot clay targets out of
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the air.
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Besides, when I had thrown them back in college, just like
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throw them up in the air and kind of just shot them because I
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thought it was cool, um, but we went to the skeet field and I
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got humbled really quickly.
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I'll tell you what as a marine, we like challenges and we don't
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like failing, right.
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Right, that game humbled me really quickly, so a passion
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kind of got sparked really quickly for just shooting clays
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in general, right, well, then I shot, you know, skeet at the
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skeet field for like two months, and then I shot a 25 straight
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and I was like, well, this is kind of boring.
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No offense love skeet shooters appreciate the discipline and I
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understand it that that's what it takes, because when you shoot
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a 400 straight, holy crap, that is discipline like that's
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impressive.
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Yes, not for me, though not for me though right.
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So I shot like my first register .
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Then he was like hey, you want to see something cool.
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Then we went up to hunter's point and we shot uh, sporting
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clays for the first time.
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I was instantly hooked.
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I was done.
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After that I was was ready to fall head over heels, buy the
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Can-Am, buy the expensive shotgun.
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When I fall I fall hard for things, so yeah.
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Speaker 2: You did do that, didn't you?
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Speaker 3: I was ready at that point.
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I did yeah.
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Yeah, that's part of the shooting journey, I think.
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Yeah, I think a lot of folks get into this and they learn a
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couple of different things.
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So kind of they learn a couple of different things.
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So kind of taking you through my journey with this is you know
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, I started shooting sporting class 2021, you know, very end
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of 2021.
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So 2022 is really my first season getting into this and you
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know, just like everybody else, I wanted to make master class
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as fast as I could.
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I ended up making it in like a year and a half, but that's
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irrelevant now that I look back at this, because I look back and
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I wanted to be masterclass so bad that I think I skipped a few
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steps along the journey and it took me probably till year two
00:18:12
to learn some of the things that would have helped me, um,
00:18:16
earlier on?
00:18:17
Speaker 2: What are those?
00:18:18
You know one of the, give me an example.
00:18:22
Speaker 3: So so one of the examples was, uh, I shot every
00:18:25
tournament every single weekend, every event that was ever
00:18:29
available, right, I went just full bore, uh, with everything
00:18:34
when it came to shooting.
00:18:35
Shooting that means sub gauge and all right, and I know it
00:18:38
might be an unpopular, uh, opinion, honestly, but one of
00:18:43
the things that I had learned was, when you go to a big event
00:18:45
because I shot the majors too, um, you know, but I did shoot a
00:18:48
lot of locals as well but when I went to the majors, I shot
00:18:52
everything like every type of sub gauge that was ever made.
00:18:56
You know, uh, from 28, 410, 28, 20 gauge, 12 gauge, sub gauge,
00:19:01
right, super sporty five stand like it's all there.
00:19:05
They are all awesome games, but you know, on my schedule, when
00:19:09
you only got three days to shoot , you know, maybe don't shoot 12
00:19:13
, 1400, you know targets, you know, in three days, yeah, it's
00:19:17
kind of a lot you know.
00:19:20
So that was one of those things that I learned really quickly
00:19:23
was like okay, at some point, your energy itself, the muscles
00:19:28
you have inside of your body, particularly your eyes as,
00:19:32
thankfully, clay lab has enabled me to actually learn is get to
00:19:36
meet people like Dr Polo, work with some of the folks when it
00:19:39
just comes to learning about this game, it's not really like
00:19:43
your shoulder and your body that's going to give out.
00:19:45
First, it's probably your eyes.
00:19:47
And in this sport, when you're losing by one or two targets at
00:19:50
each one of the levels whether you're in C class, class, you
00:19:54
know, you're even master class for sure you're losing by like
00:19:57
one or two targets at times that's probably your eyes giving
00:20:01
out to me.
00:20:02
In my opinion and again I'm going to preface all of this
00:20:05
with not a champion, just my opinion as an average guy coming
00:20:09
through right right I mean it be it could be several different
00:20:13
things, but eyes could definitely be one of them, for
00:20:15
sure.
00:20:17
Yeah, and you know, and um I'll also preface this with this is
00:20:21
exactly why we actually never did Um, and we purposefully
00:20:26
never did instructional type of things, cause we got a lot of
00:20:30
requests actually, uh, for instructional type of videos.
00:20:34
Yeah, that's's, that's not going to be us.
00:20:36
I'm not going to teach you how to shoot a rabbit, right like
00:20:38
there are actual professionals that you try to do that so
00:20:41
you're not trying to be a coach no, no, not yet.
00:20:44
Actually.
00:20:44
I know I have a lot to learn in this game.
00:20:46
I think eventually one day I would like to be right and I'll
00:20:49
take that up with fennel at some point because I like his school
00:20:52
yeah, well, there you go, so you learned a lot sorry yeah,
00:20:56
yes, that's all right.
00:20:57
Speaker 2: So you learned a lot coming up, and I did too, and
00:21:01
I'll tell you something that I learned, or I thought about as I
00:21:05
started shooting and going through the classes, was I've
00:21:08
got a lot of questions that a lot of people answer.
00:21:10
Now that I look back on it, they answer the questions
00:21:13
correctly, but they're not answering them Like I need to
00:21:16
hear them, like I've talked about this a hundred times, but
00:21:20
you need to watch the bird.
00:21:21
Well, I, you know I am, but correctly telling you how to
00:21:27
watch the bird.
00:21:28
You know what I'm saying?
00:21:29
That's kind of what I thought about, like nobody's really told
00:21:31
me correctly how to watch the bird, like I do look at it.
00:21:35
So that's kind of what I learned coming up through and I thought
00:21:37
you know I'm always remember these kinds of questions because
00:21:40
I had them.
00:21:41
You know, yeah, you know what I mean.
00:21:45
Speaker 3: Oh no, I do.
00:21:45
I definitely know what you mean because I think you know this
00:21:50
thing at the bird, it'll catch on eventually, I think right,
00:21:53
but yeah, the millions of different people have told you
00:21:55
that that's the solution.
00:21:56
Well, I mean, I think it's easier said than done and I
00:22:00
think people will just go through and hit a point in their
00:22:03
game where they truly understand what that means.
00:22:06
And the only way to expedite the process to understanding
00:22:09
what that means is actually getting a good coach, like
00:22:12
somebody and when I say good coach, I mean somebody that's
00:22:15
truly a coach and is actually going to explain to you and be
00:22:18
able to communicate with you, because there are plenty of
00:22:21
people that are good at what they do, you know, just like any
00:22:24
other type of profession.
00:22:25
But if, if you're just not a good match, or if it just
00:22:28
doesn't make sense, there's no chemistry there, then you're not
00:22:31
going to understand them.
00:22:32
You can literally have two different people telling you the
00:22:35
same thing, but it just makes sense when this guy says it
00:22:38
Right, like, yeah, that that's.
00:22:40
That's finding a coach to help you expedite and accelerate your
00:22:44
process through this game, and that's one of the biggest things
00:22:48
you know I learned going through this game.
00:22:50
Um, there's a couple of random pieces of advices that I give to
00:22:54
folks.
00:22:54
You know, throughout my journey that I've learned, you know,
00:22:57
over I think at this point it's just it's just three years of
00:23:00
learning how to try to shoot this game is.
00:23:02
There's a couple of things.
00:23:03
Is coaches are there to help you expedite the process?
00:23:07
There's a reason why these guys have, these guys are doing what
00:23:11
they do.
00:23:11
It's because they've missed way more targets than you have.
00:23:14
They've already been where you've been.
00:23:16
They've thought about buying the high rib gun that you're
00:23:19
thinking about buying.
00:23:20
You know that you shouldn't not saying you shouldn't, I'm just
00:23:24
saying they've thought about all of the different scenarios that
00:23:26
you've gone through already and they've helped other people
00:23:29
through this.
00:23:29
Help navigate that.
00:23:30
That course.
00:23:31
That's what a coach is there to do, not just help you figure out
00:23:35
how to shoot a crossing target.
00:23:37
You know what I mean.
00:23:37
Oh, yeah, it's not just about how do you hit quartering verge,
00:23:40
how do you hit 50 yard crossers .
00:23:42
You know, yeah, they're, they're gonna do that too, but
00:23:45
you know you find a good coach and you're gonna be able to, you
00:23:48
know, text them or they're even gonna text you because they've
00:23:51
been tracking you because they can see score chaser as well.
00:23:54
Right Like you can just pull up score chaser and see what their
00:23:57
students are doing and be like hey, you know nice work, bud
00:24:00
Like or hey, you know what's going on.
00:24:02
You know if they know that you can shoot, you know better than
00:24:06
how you're doing.
00:24:07
Uh, compared to the competition , yeah, I agree with that.
00:24:11
Speaker 2: Yeah, All of that.
00:24:12
Now, who was when you started?
00:24:13
Did you have a coach?
00:24:16
Or just kind of figure it out on your own for the first little
00:24:18
bit.
00:24:18
Speaker 3: Oh, I'm stubborn, of course.
00:24:19
I tried to figure this stuff out on my own.
00:24:21
I was like how hard could it be ?
00:24:24
We're just shooting things out of the sky, yeah it's funny to
00:24:28
take somebody shooting like you.
00:24:30
Speaker 2: You know what I'm talking about.
00:24:31
You take somebody shooting and they're like, oh, how hard can
00:24:33
this be?
00:24:33
Then they get out there and it's a little different than you
00:24:37
think it is.
00:24:39
Speaker 3: Oh, absolutely.
00:24:39
There's not supposed to be anything inherently obvious
00:24:43
about to shoot something moving through the sky that you're
00:24:46
supposed to shoot in front of it .
00:24:48
Well, the question is, by how much?
00:24:50
But the weird part is the answer is just look at it, right
00:24:55
.
00:24:55
Just look at it, yeah, right yeah, yeah, just look at it yeah
00:25:01
, so yeah, I actually had a few coaches.
00:25:03
Actually, my shooting journey was me trying to figure this out
00:25:07
by myself.
00:25:07
That wasn't working out so hot.
00:25:10
I was able to, of course, get through.
00:25:11
You know, some of the lower classes, you know, win some
00:25:14
stuff here and there and it was awesome, it was cool.
00:25:18
But I'm all about efficiency and when it comes to efficiency,
00:25:21
somebody else that knows how to do this better you got to be
00:25:24
humble.
00:25:24
People can teach you some stuff .
00:25:26
So, like I said, anthony Matariz he's technically
00:25:30
probably my first coach Watched all of his DVDs, have all of
00:25:35
them still.
00:25:35
They're awesome to pick back up on every now and then, uh.
00:25:39
So I watched all of those, got a little bit better.
00:25:41
I felt like um, and then I actually uh, met cameron hicks.
00:25:45
At that point he's a hell of a trap.
00:25:47
Taught me how to shoot trap like crazy.
00:25:48
Uh.
00:25:49
From there, uh, I started working with will fennel, really
00:25:52
when this clay lab started coming online, right, and then
00:25:57
from there it was really just he was my coach and mentor.
00:26:00
You know, just going forward at that point yeah, yeah, um, what
00:26:05
about your wife?
00:26:07
Speaker 2: so you're you talk about your wife.
00:26:08
Is your your biggest, I guess your biggest supporter?
00:26:12
Or your number one sponsor.
00:26:13
However, whatever you want to say, how, how does she take to
00:26:16
you doing this as much as you have been doing it?
00:26:18
Speaker 3: and and, uh, how supportive has she been so my
00:26:22
wife abby, she's super supportive when it comes to this
00:26:24
sport and I couldn't be more thankful for it, because this is
00:26:28
a sport that definitely has me away from home a lot, um, just
00:26:32
trying to attain some of my shooting goals and, of course,
00:26:35
you know, trying to get a lot of the filming done as well, so
00:26:38
that way we can produce content.
00:26:40
But really it's not a cheap sport, like you know.
00:26:44
I don't think anybody shooting this sport right now or
00:26:47
listening to this podcast thinks it is uh so.
00:26:50
So she, she's absolutely supportive of it because she
00:26:53
knows that the passion is there for it.
00:26:54
And I'm that kind of person that when I, like I said, when I
00:26:58
find the thing that I'm passionate about like I'm just
00:27:01
going to go full bore at it, yeah, and she started shooting.
00:27:06
Speaker 2: How'd you get?
00:27:06
Her into it Just because she goes with you.
00:27:11
Speaker 3: Is that how she got into it?
00:27:12
She did, and I want to say it was the Can-Am that got her into
00:27:14
it at first because it was really cool to be in and I'm not
00:27:17
going to lie during the winter times.
00:27:19
I think I even posted a video about it, but she would be in
00:27:23
there.
00:27:23
That's how supportive she is.
00:27:24
Right, she's in the Can-Am with the window rolled up and the
00:27:27
heat on, with the actual controller to actually listen to
00:27:33
me call, pull and then she would hit the buttons from
00:27:38
inside the warm can-am for me.
00:27:39
But yeah, she got.
00:27:40
She's pretty smart herself.
00:27:41
She actually no, she's very smart.
00:27:43
Yeah, that's why I married her.
00:27:44
Like that's the goal in marriage, I think, is actually
00:27:47
always marry somebody smarter than you.
00:27:49
Yeah, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, but uh, but she's also decently
00:27:53
talented.
00:27:53
She has never gotten it really into the competition side of
00:27:56
shooting.
00:27:57
I signed her up anyways just because she was going to be
00:27:59
there and she enjoys kind of just spending time out on the
00:28:02
range.
00:28:02
But she actually has a habit of stealing my like either backup
00:28:08
guns or like my primary guns, whether that's a pistol like my
00:28:12
old glock 19 that I built out and she was like I like this,
00:28:15
it's mine.
00:28:15
Well, that's what happened.
00:28:15
Like my old glock 19 that I built out and she was like I,
00:28:16
like this, it's mine.
00:28:16
Well, that's what happened to my beretta a400, right like that
00:28:20
was my backup gun and all of a sudden now I've got to cut the
00:28:23
stock on it to fit her.
00:28:25
And then guess what?
00:28:26
Now I don't have a backup gun that's all right.
00:28:28
Speaker 2: So you've been shooting a krigoff since you
00:28:30
started, right, is that right?
00:28:33
Speaker 3: uh, actually so started.
00:28:35
No, I kind of had like a whole gun journey.
00:28:38
I think people go through this too.
00:28:40
It's a whole nother thing as well as it has.
00:28:42
Like I started with a brownie 725 okay, all right, and kind of
00:28:46
tying it back into what we talked about with one of the
00:28:49
lessons learned.
00:28:50
I will always tell people, if you already have a good gun that
00:28:54
kind of fits you, that fits you decently and it points well
00:28:58
with you Awesome, before you make that giant leap, awesome,
00:29:03
go get a coach.
00:29:04
Spend a bunch of money on lessons and a bunch of money on
00:29:07
shells, because that's going to pay you dividends in the long
00:29:11
run.
00:29:11
You'll eventually end up with a really nice gun.
00:29:13
You will because your heart's going to keep you in this game
00:29:16
for a long time.
00:29:17
You'll eventually end up with that gun, but in the beginning,
00:29:21
yeah.
00:29:22
If in the beginning you got a beautiful semi-auto like a 400,
00:29:26
there a reason why that gun's, like, won championships, it's
00:29:29
good enough.
00:29:30
I promise you know I mean so.
00:29:32
Before you go in a leap, take that leap and, you know, jump
00:29:36
into that 10, 15 000 dream gun that you've always had like.
00:29:40
Put it towards lessons, buy a pallet of ammo, you know, do
00:29:45
what you can there before you spend the money doing that type
00:29:48
of thing yeah, you're talking about classes a minute ago.
00:29:52
Speaker 2: Uh, I guess I know, you're familiar with the, the
00:29:56
class changes this year.
00:29:57
What do you think about those?
00:29:59
Speaker 3: I'm interested to see how they work out.
00:30:01
Um again.
00:30:03
So I I got sorry I didn't talk about it before but, like, one
00:30:06
of the things that really got me hooked into this sport was the
00:30:10
PSCA.
00:30:10
Like it filmed awesomely, it was great to see it.
00:30:14
I've seen every single episode over and over again.
00:30:17
So, for there to be a professional class, which I
00:30:20
think what in 2025, they were talking about starting that.
00:30:23
So, yeah, I think in two I think it was in like 2025, they
00:30:28
were planning on starting a professional class.
00:30:31
When it came to either just the majors.
00:30:33
So we're talking about the regionals, nationals and I think
00:30:37
the U S open, that there was a, that there was a pro class
00:30:42
essentially, and they're working out how that's going to work
00:30:45
out from a numbers perspective of it dipping into the master
00:30:48
class.
00:30:49
But I've I've never really had a problem with it because, at
00:30:52
the end of the day, I don't think it really matters what
00:30:54
class you're in, right, and I actually remember speaking with
00:30:57
uh camera at this point and he actually preferred a lot of his
00:31:01
students to declare into double a, and I think that that's
00:31:04
perfectly fair if your goals are not to win money throughout the
00:31:08
journey and you're okay with that and you truly want to be
00:31:13
good at this sport.
00:31:14
To be good at it not for the notoriety or to be able to post
00:31:19
on Instagram that you won C1, which is awesome.
00:31:23
But if that's not what you care about and you truly just want
00:31:26
to be really good at this sport, cool, declare into double a and
00:31:31
then get after it, because at that point you know your scores
00:31:36
are going to be what they are and you know where you finish
00:31:38
out in double a to then eventually punch into
00:31:40
masterclass.
00:31:41
It is what it is.
00:31:43
I think that you know it's perfectly fine way.
00:31:45
But if you want to, you want a metric.
00:31:46
I think it helps a metric to help gauge yourself as you grow
00:31:50
throughout your shooting journey , then that's pretty awesome.
00:31:53
So you know I'm I'm neither here nor there about the actual
00:31:56
classification system, but I think it took me a while to
00:31:59
eventually get there.
00:32:00
Like I mentioned before, like I just I just wanted to be a
00:32:03
master class when I started this and then I figured out that I'm
00:32:07
like, how old was I?
00:32:09
I'm like 32 or something like that 33 master class, in no
00:32:14
concurrence.
00:32:15
So I have like the absolute, absolute lowest chances of
00:32:19
winning anything at a shoot, right?
00:32:21
So like, basically, anytime I go shoot as a master class
00:32:25
shooter, I have to beat Brandon Powell powell, right.
00:32:30
Like okay, cool, how about we just make this really good
00:32:33
practice?
00:32:33
Then, yeah, I mean, no, I'm, I'm there to compete, but god,
00:32:38
you know, that's, that's what I have to deal with that boy's
00:32:40
been wearing it out this year my god, yeah, he has.
00:32:44
I just watched him at the gator cup.
00:32:46
I got to watch him in the shootout man.
00:32:49
He cleaned the first section of the make a break, really just
00:32:53
cleaned it in the final shoot.
00:32:55
Oh, yeah, yeah, for uh, first and second between him and
00:32:58
connor daniels.
00:32:59
Connor daniels is a wicked shot , right, but yeah, brandon gets
00:33:02
up there and just cleans the first section of it, that's
00:33:06
crazy.
00:33:06
Speaker 2: He like was a lot of people watching because that's
00:33:08
what he likes oh yeah, there's a lot of people I'd be dropping
00:33:12
shells on the ground, putting you know safety beyond.
00:33:15
Something would happen.
00:33:16
I mean he gets up there and loves it, so I don't know yeah,
00:33:20
I think I'm actually going to publish the video of it.
00:33:23
Speaker 3: You know whenever this thing comes out, but you
00:33:25
know there'll be a video of it, a capture it on video.
00:33:27
I think it was also a good excuse for me to really get up
00:33:29
there and be like two feet away from the shooters yeah, oh yeah
00:33:33
yeah, I just enjoy watching the sport, yeah so you were.
00:33:38
Speaker 2: How do you know where you're gonna video something,
00:33:40
do you?
00:33:41
Are you always carrying your stuff around with you?
00:33:44
Speaker 3: I am most of the time , um, yeah, so uh, you know I
00:33:48
mentioned I'm a planner, so that's kind of what I do.
00:33:50
So I kind of take a look at what my schedule is, which I'm very
00:33:53
thankful for.
00:33:54
Folks like score chaser, you know that they can literally
00:33:56
print me out a schedule, or that I can build my own schedule,
00:34:09
and then I can print that thing out and kind of take a look at
00:34:09
some of the folks that I know are going to be in the area and
00:34:09
then take a look at scheduling things around my shooting, their
00:34:11
shooting, and then kind of just make it happen from there.
00:34:12
Sometimes some events are better than others.
00:34:13
You know, sometimes I'm really just there to focus kind of on
00:34:17
my shooting game and then other times like I'm just like, hey,
00:34:20
you know, I just I really do want to capture some content for
00:34:23
some folks and it's a good opportunity.
00:34:25
So, yeah, I'm generally going to run around with my backpack
00:34:28
full of equipment.
00:34:29
At that point I travel with everything.
00:34:31
Now, right, that's like even studio lights and everything,
00:34:35
because I want to make sure I provide a good product for
00:34:37
everybody you carry studio lights with you yeah, they're
00:34:41
two, they're pop-up studio lights.
00:34:43
you know that I use for, like either video, podcasts, uh, like
00:34:47
you know some of the stuff I know we're going to work with
00:34:49
together, you know, in the future.
00:34:50
But like, yeah, there's studio lights.
00:34:52
You know I'll carry those around with me.
00:34:54
They're pop-ups, they're perfect, like exactly what we
00:34:57
need because lighting's important, it is.
00:35:00
Speaker 2: And if it was up to me, I'd have an iPhone and a
00:35:02
flashlight and that would be just fine.
00:35:06
We're supposed to be doing something.
00:35:09
We're supposed to be doing something down at the regional
00:35:11
in Savannah together and, uh, jeremy Jeremy was talking about
00:35:16
hey, you know where are we going to do this at.
00:35:17
And I said, well, I got a trailer we can do it inside of.
00:35:21
He's like no man, that's not going to look good look good.
00:35:29
Speaker 3: I mean, it would look fine to me.
00:35:30
I know you would have the audio covered and you'd be sound
00:35:32
amazing, but I can't work with a trailer like I'm not that good,
00:35:34
okay it would have air in it air doesn't show up on video
00:35:39
that's true, that's true.
00:35:41
Speaker 2: So, yeah, it's uh, I'm kind of excited to see what,
00:35:44
what you've got planned and what you're going to do with, uh
00:35:46
, with the clay lab.
00:35:47
I know that I've had a lot of good ideas in the past about
00:35:52
what to do with video, but I've known nothing about video so I
00:35:54
never try it.
00:35:55
You know what I mean.
00:35:57
Speaker 1: So do you think?
00:35:58
You think, johnny?
00:35:59
Speaker 2: carter and all those guys.
00:36:01
Are they kind of a?
00:36:01
You kind of watch what they do so you can kind of get some good
00:36:04
ideas, or I know y'all know each other oh, I always do.
00:36:08
Speaker 3: And johnny, oh, he's the man.
00:36:10
Yeah, johnny carter is great.
00:36:12
I definitely linked up with him when we were at nationals
00:36:14
together and yeah, none of it was on video because it we have
00:36:18
a genuine, just good friendship, which is awesome, so great man.
00:36:22
And yeah, of course, I watch their content.
00:36:24
Everything that comes out.
00:36:25
You know, past and present, like like I'm going to be
00:36:28
watching, but that's just cause I'm also a consumer of YouTube.
00:36:31
Like I don't have I don't have cable TV or anything like that.
00:36:35
I literally spend all my time my free time, if you will on
00:36:38
YouTube, just watching stuff.
00:36:40
So, yeah, johnny's definitely at the top of the list for
00:36:43
anything that comes out that he does.
00:36:45
Speaker 2: Yeah, youtube's man it's.
00:36:46
My son says he's getting smarter because of youtube.
00:36:49
I think he's getting dumber because of youtube, but I mean
00:36:52
he may be right.
00:36:53
Speaker 3: I don't know, you know there's so much.
00:36:54
No, he's, he's got to be right.
00:36:57
I actually learned how to ride a motorcycle on youtube.
00:36:59
I'm not even kidding you like before I got my motorcycle
00:37:03
license, I was watching youtube about how to ride a motorcycle
00:37:07
and I studied it and again.
00:37:09
But that's why we do this is because certain people absorb
00:37:13
information differently, and visually is a huge visual
00:37:19
learning.
00:37:19
It's a huge portion for a lot of people.
00:37:21
So I learned how to ride a motorcycle boom.
00:37:23
Never had an issue riding a bike, besides when I was maybe
00:37:27
stuck riding but yeah, so talk about your pistol shooting
00:37:30
you're doing now terrible new habit, just because I think that
00:37:33
that's the the marine inside of me that just I like shooting.
00:37:37
It's just the way it is, yeah, uh.
00:37:39
So I went shooting for the first time, uh, at a uspsa event
00:37:43
and uh also really, really enjoyed that.
00:37:47
I had the opportunity to shoot a couple qualifiers and, just
00:37:51
like their class system, I was able to qualify as a b-class,
00:37:55
limited optic shooter, which means I shoot like a 2011
00:37:59
platform and, of course, I was shooting a staccato when I first
00:38:02
started.
00:38:03
And then I went head over heels and bought this beautiful, like
00:38:06
masterpiece arms, like black and gold pistol and nine
00:38:09
millimeter, you know, double stack 1911 and but it's been
00:38:14
something else to keep me busy on the weekend, you know.
00:38:19
Speaker 2: But sporting clay, thankfully, is my passion when
00:38:21
you go to a pistol tournament, never doing that, I'm assuming.
00:38:25
How did how?
00:38:26
Was that going to one of those tournaments like, were you kind
00:38:28
of lost?
00:38:29
Speaker 3: so I I'm, uh, I'm a humble person and I literally
00:38:32
like put my hands up and I'm just like I'm nick the new guy.
00:38:36
Like you know, as long as you show up, knowing the safety
00:38:40
rules, you're all good.
00:38:41
That's been just bred into me from what I do, uh.
00:38:44
But yeah, as long as you're safe, you're good.
00:38:46
I watch people just kind of walk through the courses super
00:38:49
slow, you know, to get their shots and they're perfectly
00:38:53
placed, you know.
00:38:54
But they end up, you know, at the bottom of the list because
00:38:57
it's also about speed in this game, you know.
00:38:59
And then, every now and then, I'll push the little limits
00:39:01
myself and pretend like I'm john wick.
00:39:03
You know it's, it's fun, yeah, yeah so I just enjoy shooting
00:39:07
it's, it's fun.
00:39:07
Yeah, yeah, so I just enjoy shooting.
00:39:09
Speaker 2: It looks like it's intimidating Like my.
00:39:11
I couldn't see me getting around that course too fast.
00:39:13
You know what I'm saying.
00:39:16
Speaker 3: It doesn't, really, it doesn't matter, you take it
00:39:18
as fast as you can.
00:39:19
It's kind of like this sport right, like shooting a 50 yard
00:39:22
cross or is intimidating, you know, at first.
00:39:34
Speaker 2: And then that's the only target you want to practice
00:39:35
when you go to the range, right , yeah, for some people, so do
00:39:36
you?
00:39:36
I guess you see yourself shooting some of that as well as
00:39:37
sporting clays in.
00:39:38
Speaker 3: You got the right now then.
00:39:38
Yeah, but sporting clays is my passion, it really is.
00:39:41
Um, it's just every now and then I kind of just need a break
00:39:44
from what I do.
00:39:45
So yeah yeah.
00:39:48
Speaker 2: I enjoy it.
00:39:48
So what's next?
00:39:49
What's next for you?
00:39:51
What's next for the clay lab?
00:39:53
What's what you got going on next?
00:39:55
Where are you going next?
00:39:56
Just what's what's up.
00:39:57
Speaker 3: Yeah, really big news is that.
00:40:00
Uh, I got orders down to Florida.
00:40:02
So the clay labs going tropical , as my wife wanted to say, um,
00:40:08
that was the big thing, like clay labs going tropical is that
00:40:11
what you told me?
00:40:12
Speaker 2: the big news was no, no, no, that was something else,
00:40:16
oh wait on that.
00:40:17
Speaker 3: But but no, so I am definitely going to florida.
00:40:21
Okay, I'm gonna be in the era and you know, hunter's point has
00:40:25
always been my home club because I've only been shooting
00:40:27
this, you know, for three years and the Oliver's have been
00:40:29
amazing.
00:40:30
They've been amazing people and I'm glad that they've put up
00:40:34
with me this entire time.
00:40:35
But yes, we are moving down to Tampa Florida area, so I am
00:40:39
looking for a new home down there in Tampa and you know,
00:40:42
what's been awesome about this community is the moment I put up
00:40:46
that clay lab was going tropical.
00:40:48
I had so many different people like making recommendations for
00:40:53
places in florida and I even had one of our subscribers send me
00:40:59
a map overlay for google maps that had every single sporting
00:41:06
clays range already on it and I was just like, oh my god,
00:41:11
there's a bunch of my kind of place.
00:41:13
Yeah, there's a bunch.
00:41:14
It's year-round shooting like I'm gonna tell you what, as a
00:41:19
hawaiian, that's perfect, because I am a fair weather
00:41:23
shooter, you're hawaiian is that what you are?
00:41:26
Speaker 2: yeah, hawaiian and filipino oh, somebody told me
00:41:30
you're mexican no hawaiian and filipino.
00:41:34
Speaker 3: To be fair, though, the last name time, and I think
00:41:36
is actually, uh like, a spanish like, has spanish origins or
00:41:40
something like that yeah, maybe that's why they said that.
00:41:44
Speaker 2: I didn't know.
00:41:44
Speaker 3: You might be related to Zach or something as well as
00:41:48
no, no, but I am planning on linking up with those folks down
00:41:51
at southeast, uh, so I'm looking forward to seeing those
00:41:53
guys down there.
00:41:54
Speaker 2: Yeah, so have you been to?
00:41:56
Have you been to uh four city?
00:42:00
Speaker 3: oh, yes, yeah, we shot, uh, georgia state
00:42:03
championship.
00:42:04
Okay, first of all, let me back up here.
00:42:06
That is the best uh gift I've ever gotten from a shoot.
00:42:11
It was like a 1300 bucket for me, but we shot the georgia
00:42:17
state championship.
00:42:18
I think it was maybe like 2022 or something like that, and they
00:42:22
gave us this like heavy duty bucket with like a rope yep,
00:42:25
actual uh, you know thing like that's the best bucket I've ever
00:42:28
gotten.
00:42:29
It definitely is.
00:42:30
I remember that.
00:42:31
That was that.
00:42:31
Yeah, it was that four city, four city gun club.
00:42:34
That club, like even Jeremy Smock won't stop talking about
00:42:38
that club because it is awesome.
00:42:40
Speaker 2: Yeah.
00:42:40
Speaker 3: Like I'm looking forward to it.
00:42:42
Is your wife going with you?
00:42:43
She is not, and again, that's why she's the best sponsor,
00:42:46
because she's got to take care of my two dobermans and black
00:42:49
lab.
00:42:49
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, my babies , those are my babies well,
00:42:53
we'll, uh, I'll catch up with you down there for sure.
00:42:55
The podcast that you you're now producing for these guys, uh,
00:43:00
tell me what the names of them are, or tell the listeners what
00:43:04
the names are and how they can find them, so they can go check
00:43:07
them out yeah, absolutely so.
00:43:08
Speaker 3: People can uh, whether it's either on youtube
00:43:11
itself, on spotify, um apple podcasts and even amazon music.
00:43:17
They can go and look up the clay lab network and you'll be
00:43:21
able to find all of our podcasts .
00:43:24
So any of the video podcasts that I do, I convert them into
00:43:26
audio only and then we'll post those as podcasts, and then any
00:43:30
of, uh well, fennels podcast, the fennel shotgun shooting
00:43:34
podcast, and then as well as Kate Fetchy's podcast.
00:43:37
Those will all be able to uh be heard on any of those platforms
00:43:41
, which is awesome.
00:43:42
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you want to look at the clay lab?
00:43:44
Just go to YouTube, type it in and you can watch some of those
00:43:46
videos.
00:43:47
Speaker 3: Really good, you cover what you're covering, you
00:43:50
do a good job at it and uh, go check them out for sure we try
00:43:55
to, and that's really about, like that huge mixture and I
00:43:58
didn't even bring up like the articles that we had started
00:44:02
here started doing, and it's really huge because I think that
00:44:05
that's a big part of this and I think people are really
00:44:07
enjoying that is especially the shooter spotlight.
00:44:10
So, besides any of the other type of content that I'm trying
00:44:13
to make sure I cover is the shooter spotlights, because
00:44:16
there's a lot of good shooters out there that they just, you
00:44:20
know they're not good at the social media type of game or
00:44:23
anything like that, but they deserve the spotlight.
00:44:25
Like we have some phenomenal shooters, like I know you know
00:44:28
plenty of them yeah, and there's .
00:44:31
Speaker 2: There's a lot of them that, uh, I think there's a lot
00:44:35
of them that probably wouldn't write anything, but there's a
00:44:37
lot of them that you can go up with a little recorder and talk
00:44:40
to them and get a pretty good article out of it.
00:44:42
Oh, absolutely so.
00:44:44
I think what you're doing is way too much for me to do.
00:44:48
I'm talking about you have to be sitting behind a computer
00:44:50
constantly when you're not working or shooting.
00:44:53
It's just unbelievable.
00:44:55
I appreciate, I appreciate, brother.
00:44:57
I got a pretty good computer to sit behind, but no, I appreciate
00:45:01
it but you're doing good, man, and uh, you know, I'll, uh, I'll
00:45:05
see you down at southeast and and uh, we'll catch up there for
00:45:10
sure, and maybe have some cool stuff coming out.
00:45:12
Just bring the video camera with you.
00:45:15
Speaker 3: Oh, I will, All three of them.
00:45:16
Speaker 2: There you go, all right.
00:45:18
Well, there he is, jareem.
00:45:20
Tyeman.
00:45:21
Appreciate you coming on buddy.
00:45:22
Speaker 3: I hate you.
00:45:23
Thanks, brother, all right, good seeing you, We'll see you.
00:45:31
Peace, peace, peace, peace, peace, peace, peace, peace,
00:45:37
peace, peace peace peace, peace, peace, peace, peace, peace,
00:45:42
peace, peace, peace, peace peace .
