Tom John: Super Vet Team USA Captain and Hollywood Stuntman

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[00:02:33] [SPEAKER_00]: My guest on the show this week is definitely an interesting guy. He has been around his sport for a long time and he's seen evolve into what it is today

[00:02:41] [SPEAKER_00]: Something else is very interesting about him is what he does for a living. We're going to cover all of that right now. Please welcome Tom John to this show

[00:02:58] [SPEAKER_00]: You know, I met you at the North Central Regional and we had a great time shooting and I got to know you a little bit. I've seen your name everywhere, Facebook, you know on the on the score on the tournament roasters

[00:03:14] [SPEAKER_00]: And I wanted to get you on here and find out a little bit more about you. They might love me or hate me. I don't know, we'll fight out.

[00:03:20] [SPEAKER_00]: You know when we walked up to the station, we shot super sporting together and I had never met you and we got to show pair at the target and what you said made me laugh when we first saw them

[00:03:33] [SPEAKER_00]: And I know you don't remember that but I thought this guy's going to be good to shoot with right here. So there's all kind of stuff came out your mouth

[00:03:40] [SPEAKER_02]: I think I said something along my line hoopest there's targets set of rods you did you did

[00:03:48] [SPEAKER_00]: I thought wow so you had a good time as a whole the regional

[00:03:53] [SPEAKER_00]: Absolutely did you shoot like you were like you expected to or like you wanted to or did you not do either one

[00:04:01] [SPEAKER_02]: In the feet ass I shot okay

[00:04:05] [SPEAKER_02]: In the super sporting I felt that I missed some stuff. I shouldn't have missed but

[00:04:12] [SPEAKER_02]: You know

[00:04:13] [SPEAKER_02]: In the main I didn't shoot very good at all your wife shot with us and I don't know

[00:04:20] [SPEAKER_02]: How bet you can't be her she can she can show get it. I'm telling you she's kidding again. There's no doubt about that. I mean, you know what she's

[00:04:29] [SPEAKER_02]: She's come a long way should I get to shoot you know a lot like other people

[00:04:34] [SPEAKER_02]: You know she carries a full time job. That's if you want to wake up who's lucky

[00:04:41] [SPEAKER_02]: But you know she should allow and you know everything's starting to come together for yeah

[00:04:47] [SPEAKER_00]: She she really impressed me and she's always got to get attitude

[00:04:51] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, she's got to get attitude should try it's hard. Yeah, well, that's what matters

[00:04:56] [SPEAKER_00]: They always says if you got to get attitude and try hard you're going to do well. How about us my problem?

[00:05:00] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know. So now she does she she's a good attitude about it, you know, I mean, you know, she's she's got

[00:05:11] [SPEAKER_02]: Got the gift of determination on her side, you know what she's determined that she's been a few well and

[00:05:21] [SPEAKER_00]: You know, that's half the battle right there. Oh, yeah, that's right where are you for you to from?

[00:05:27] [SPEAKER_02]: We live in Ported Ranch, California. That's 20 miles north to downtown Los Angeles

[00:05:33] [SPEAKER_02]: We live up in a place called the San Fernando Valley. So how did you get into place?

[00:05:38] [SPEAKER_00]: And are you been in it for a long time? How did you get into it? I started

[00:05:42] [SPEAKER_02]: I'd put my 22 with my dad, you know when he'd go to the range and side is big game right close to him

[00:05:50] [SPEAKER_02]: He had a friend that was Maryland Monroe's first husband

[00:05:59] [SPEAKER_02]: He was a police officer. There was Mary to Maryland and he was the LAPD range master

[00:06:09] [SPEAKER_02]: And when I'd get out of school, he reloaded all the ammunition for the L.A. Academy

[00:06:16] [SPEAKER_02]: Where they trained all the police officers to shoot. So I'd go box the ammunition for him

[00:06:23] [SPEAKER_02]: And he started taking me out on the weekends and Sunday and at least he had an old handset that he'd throw clay targets

[00:06:31] [SPEAKER_00]: And that's where it all started. When was that? What year was that? You know

[00:06:37] [SPEAKER_00]: Well, God, like 28 or something like that

[00:06:42] [SPEAKER_02]: These guys are not that old yet. I'm getting there, but not quite

[00:06:47] [SPEAKER_02]: That was probably right around 1966. You know what?

[00:06:52] [SPEAKER_02]: You know, shootings been my passion my whole life. It doesn't matter what it is, rights will pistol shotguns

[00:07:02] [SPEAKER_02]: You know, bench rest, hunting, I do it all and I really enjoy it

[00:07:09] [SPEAKER_00]: And that's something I've stayed with my whole life. How did you get good back then?

[00:07:13] [SPEAKER_00]: Like what was the, what was the route? I mean, do you take lessons and Emma was there?

[00:07:19] [SPEAKER_00]: People that could show you, you'd get to figure out yourself. I mean, I've never had a lesson in my life

[00:07:25] [SPEAKER_02]: You know, I just started out shooting duck hunting with my dad and his friends and

[00:07:31] [SPEAKER_02]: And I, you know, and I just started, you know, figure and stuff out on my own and

[00:07:41] [SPEAKER_02]: You know, when I was 12 or 13 years old, I started my dad would take me to a trap

[00:07:50] [SPEAKER_02]: Shoot once in a while and you know, a pot shoot

[00:07:55] [SPEAKER_02]: And back at those days, you know, there wouldn't be any kids shoot when you had to stand there and shoot with the grownups

[00:08:04] [SPEAKER_02]: So it was a pretty tough crowd. The other crowd good, or that run out of the place

[00:08:09] [SPEAKER_00]: Really quick. You know, we've talked about this topic. I'm kind of worked kind of talking about what happened and the, you know, how you get into this

[00:08:16] [SPEAKER_00]: And all that. We've talked about this topic several times on the show

[00:08:20] [SPEAKER_00]: But it's always neat to hear the ways that the sport has changed from back when it started until now

[00:08:26] [SPEAKER_00]: So what difference is stand out in your mind on how, how it's changed over the years?

[00:08:34] [SPEAKER_02]: God, that conversation could go on on night

[00:08:38] [SPEAKER_02]: And you know, when I first started everything was basically handsets

[00:08:48] [SPEAKER_02]: And, you know, most of the places through a lot of Drew pairs

[00:08:56] [SPEAKER_02]: And, you know, it was relatively close targets and

[00:09:02] [SPEAKER_02]: You know, real short windows and you know, you know, a 28 inch gun was the gun

[00:09:09] [SPEAKER_02]: A choice back to them, you know, some guys had 30s but you know, it was

[00:09:17] [SPEAKER_02]: It was more like to keep the woods back then just shoot and we'll gun that's all

[00:09:23] [SPEAKER_00]: How, how, how about the amount of people at tournaments and the

[00:09:29] [SPEAKER_00]: I mean stuff like that, how different is it now than it was about them?

[00:09:32] [SPEAKER_00]: I know there's other people but

[00:09:34] [SPEAKER_02]: You know, back in the early days of sporting players, you know, if there was

[00:09:40] [SPEAKER_02]: At the local tournaments, so if you've seen

[00:09:43] [SPEAKER_02]: You know, 15 or 20 people that was a pretty big crowd

[00:09:47] [SPEAKER_02]: You know, everybody was shooting trapped and scooped at them

[00:09:52] [SPEAKER_02]: And, you know, they were pot shooting

[00:09:53] [SPEAKER_02]: And, you know, sporting plays back then was kind of looked out like kind of a joke

[00:10:00] [SPEAKER_02]: All the trapshooters were laughing at it saying,

[00:10:03] [SPEAKER_02]: That's never going to last it's a fad

[00:10:07] [SPEAKER_00]: Boy, how wrong they were. I'm telling you, it's getting bigger and bigger every year

[00:10:11] [SPEAKER_00]: You know, it's just it's crazy, especially with the youth, you know,

[00:10:17] [SPEAKER_00]: The amount of people coming into this sport is crazy

[00:10:19] [SPEAKER_00]: What are the differences that you see shooting in California back then until now?

[00:10:26] [SPEAKER_02]: Ever since they started getting away from the handsets and started going to

[00:10:33] [SPEAKER_02]: Back then, you know, do a magic machines

[00:10:37] [SPEAKER_02]: We're pretty, pretty common on some of the range of who's

[00:10:43] [SPEAKER_02]: And then they went to your ever-versal machines

[00:10:46] [SPEAKER_02]: And they quite a few of the places that you've been in aversal

[00:10:50] [SPEAKER_02]: And then there was a man up north by the name of Dave Feline

[00:10:55] [SPEAKER_02]: That built traps in his garage

[00:10:59] [SPEAKER_02]: And a lot of the northern clubs had his automatic traps

[00:11:05] [SPEAKER_02]: And, you know, it's taken off from there

[00:11:09] [SPEAKER_02]: And today, the machines that they have today

[00:11:14] [SPEAKER_02]: Or just the targets they throw and the angles they throw

[00:11:18] [SPEAKER_02]: And you know, we never even dreamed of seeing stuff like that

[00:11:21] [SPEAKER_00]: What about gun laws? How they changed or have they?

[00:11:27] [SPEAKER_02]: You know, everybody, you know, afraid that California because the gun laws

[00:11:33] [SPEAKER_02]: It doesn't phase me in a business as usual with may it just

[00:11:40] [SPEAKER_02]: You know, they keep adding more laws but you know, it doesn't seem like it's affected

[00:11:50] [SPEAKER_00]: Anybody here? Yeah, I figured that's how it was. I always talk about the, you know, the bad part of it

[00:11:56] [SPEAKER_00]: But in reality, it's probably not that bad, you know?

[00:11:59] [SPEAKER_02]: No, I get hassled at other reports more than I do LAX, LAX is a breathing to come in and out of

[00:12:05] [SPEAKER_02]: And they check the end, you open the case, they look at it, they put a tag in it

[00:12:10] [SPEAKER_02]: It goes on the airplane and you're on the way

[00:12:13] [SPEAKER_00]: Speaking of California, speaking of California, I got to ask this

[00:12:17] [SPEAKER_00]: Who is the best shooter to come out of California for still in California?

[00:12:25] [SPEAKER_02]: Everybody thinks they're the best shooter here

[00:12:31] [SPEAKER_02]: To come out of California

[00:12:34] [SPEAKER_02]: Without a doubt, that

[00:12:37] [SPEAKER_02]: You think that was exact, exact been a tough competitor since

[00:12:42] [SPEAKER_02]: Since he was, you know, 12, 13, 14 years old

[00:12:47] [SPEAKER_00]: He doesn't a lot, that's for sure

[00:12:49] [SPEAKER_02]: We really do have some really good shots in California

[00:12:54] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, it's not bad, yeah

[00:12:56] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, some of them don't compete anymore, you know

[00:13:00] [SPEAKER_02]: Really close friend of mine John Boyle was one of the really best shots ever on the less post

[00:13:08] [SPEAKER_02]: Whether it be trap pigeons or sport in place

[00:13:12] [SPEAKER_02]: He was a great shot, he died a few years ago

[00:13:16] [SPEAKER_02]: But you know, I mean, over the years you've had

[00:13:21] [SPEAKER_02]: You know, that Craig Polly

[00:13:26] [SPEAKER_02]: You know, quite a few different shooters

[00:13:28] [SPEAKER_02]: It was really top shots

[00:13:31] [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know anybody in California, never even been there, I kind of want to go there

[00:13:34] [SPEAKER_00]: Just to feel the weather, the turnaround will even come back

[00:13:37] [SPEAKER_00]: You have one zone shoot, she's one state championship

[00:13:40] [SPEAKER_00]: So I'm sure you've won a lot more than that

[00:13:42] [SPEAKER_00]: But now that you're a little older, do you find yourself

[00:13:45] [SPEAKER_00]: Just as competitive as you used to be?

[00:13:48] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh absolutely, or more, I don't, I mean, are you more competitive?

[00:13:52] [SPEAKER_02]: You know, what that has been changed, it's about the same as I used to

[00:13:57] [SPEAKER_02]: You know, the feelings are same, I still like to compete

[00:14:00] [SPEAKER_02]: I still like to, you know, go to shoots and I have a lot of fun with it

[00:14:05] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, as you have gotten older, what's something you've noticed

[00:14:09] [SPEAKER_00]: You started suffering with when you come, when it comes to shooting

[00:14:12] [SPEAKER_00]: Is it your eyes, it's your reflex, is what is it?

[00:14:15] [SPEAKER_00]: Is there anything?

[00:14:16] [SPEAKER_02]: Do you want to go to the moment?

[00:14:19] [SPEAKER_00]: Wake it up in the morning

[00:14:22] [SPEAKER_02]: Hey, that's how it sounds

[00:14:23] [SPEAKER_00]: I guess you can look at it like at least you are waking up, you know?

[00:14:29] [SPEAKER_02]: You know, your reflexes are still good, at least at my age

[00:14:32] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm not feeling like my reflexes are real bad, yet

[00:14:36] [SPEAKER_02]: You know, my eyes after the national, I'm going to go have some more to come on my eyes

[00:14:44] [SPEAKER_02]: I have some

[00:14:47] [SPEAKER_02]: I am here to do what I'm doing with right now

[00:14:50] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah

[00:14:52] [SPEAKER_02]: But, you know, I think the worst part of getting older is the recoil

[00:14:57] [SPEAKER_02]: Really?

[00:14:58] [SPEAKER_02]: If you want to know that the god John is correct

[00:15:02] [SPEAKER_02]: And on the recoil is probably your worst enemy as you start to get some age on it

[00:15:08] [SPEAKER_00]: Is it the, what about the recoil?

[00:15:11] [SPEAKER_00]: Is it like expecting the recoil or the actual recoil itself?

[00:15:16] [SPEAKER_02]: Just the recoil over the years

[00:15:17] [SPEAKER_02]: And the constant, you know, pounding on your shoulder

[00:15:20] [SPEAKER_02]: I think that really gets to you after

[00:15:25] [SPEAKER_02]: After you get a little bit older

[00:15:28] [SPEAKER_02]: You know, he starts switching shells

[00:15:31] [SPEAKER_02]: And you know, he used to be

[00:15:33] [SPEAKER_02]: When I was younger, if I could have stopped dynamite and a barrel and put shot in front of it

[00:15:42] [SPEAKER_02]: And it's more like a firecracker

[00:15:47] [SPEAKER_02]: So, you know, he's kind of like, hey, do you have anything with less powder?

[00:15:56] [SPEAKER_02]: So that's kind of where your at would you get up in the age, you know, and then an automatic, you know

[00:16:03] [SPEAKER_02]: Kind of funny over the years, I've never wanted to shoot an automatic

[00:16:07] [SPEAKER_02]: And I'm starting to think that the A 400s are looking pretty awesome right now

[00:16:12] [SPEAKER_00]: What do you shoot? What gun do you shoot?

[00:16:15] [SPEAKER_02]: I shoot a DT 11 right now

[00:16:17] [SPEAKER_00]: What ammo you, what's your ammo that you're shooting?

[00:16:23] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm shooting an RC right this year

[00:16:27] [SPEAKER_02]: And pretty happy with it

[00:16:31] [SPEAKER_02]: It's a really great ammunition and

[00:16:35] [SPEAKER_02]: You know, the recoil is not bad on it at all

[00:16:38] [SPEAKER_00]: Well, you shoot in one ounce

[00:16:40] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm shooting an all one ounce, I click shoot an ounce and an eighth quite a few years ago

[00:16:44] [SPEAKER_02]: Couldn't take the beat anymore

[00:16:47] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, if he moved an automatic, it'll for sure be easy on you

[00:16:51] [SPEAKER_02]: I got a new one sitting in the closet, I just haven't got the nerve to get it out

[00:16:57] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to stick with it long enough yet

[00:16:59] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, everything I mentioned a many of those zone shoots and state championships and all that

[00:17:03] [SPEAKER_00]: You want all that stuff while you still have a full time job

[00:17:05] [SPEAKER_00]: From what I can remember you telling me now

[00:17:09] [SPEAKER_00]: And you didn't travel to many shoots either

[00:17:13] [SPEAKER_00]: But you are now, why now and not then?

[00:17:17] [SPEAKER_02]: Well back then I, you know, I

[00:17:21] [SPEAKER_02]: Owned a record service with the two locations and had 49 trucks and

[00:17:32] [SPEAKER_02]: Work for the movie studios, I did a lot of studio stuff

[00:17:37] [SPEAKER_02]: And

[00:17:39] [SPEAKER_02]: Traveling was just out of the question, I just never could find my time, I mean

[00:17:44] [SPEAKER_02]: I think in all the years I've shot, I managed if when I was working and had my

[00:17:53] [SPEAKER_02]: Toying company, I think I managed to get to you know

[00:17:59] [SPEAKER_02]: Maybe four nationals and all those years

[00:18:02] [SPEAKER_02]: Wow, and

[00:18:05] [SPEAKER_02]: You know it was just really difficult and now I don't

[00:18:10] [SPEAKER_02]: Have the record service anymore and I got out of it and

[00:18:18] [SPEAKER_02]: A 2019 so you know now I have that time and I'm really enjoying and going to the

[00:18:26] [SPEAKER_02]: Going to the Shitsback is something I've never done before

[00:18:29] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you were the captain the super vet captain for sporting a fee tax routine USA this year

[00:18:36] [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, I was and I was talking to Zach and he said that you had never been ever seized a sheet and

[00:18:43] [SPEAKER_02]: Tell recently I am been out of California to shoot very often

[00:18:47] [SPEAKER_02]: No, I never never got the opportunity to go anywhere other than

[00:18:55] [SPEAKER_02]: You know years ago I went to Georgia for a weekend and shot the national fee tax champion

[00:19:00] [SPEAKER_02]: Could but I think that was in

[00:19:03] [SPEAKER_02]: 1994 and that's about as

[00:19:07] [SPEAKER_00]: That's about the only time I got that case. Well, so what did you think about it going ever see especially being on team USA?

[00:19:13] [SPEAKER_02]: You know what that was most awesome experience

[00:19:16] [SPEAKER_02]: I've ever had shooting really it was incredible and

[00:19:21] [SPEAKER_02]: There's no doubt way

[00:19:25] [SPEAKER_02]: The Europeans have been such great shots over the year after seeing the type of stuff that they shoot

[00:19:36] [SPEAKER_02]: That was that was an eye opener. What did you think about their targets?

[00:19:41] [SPEAKER_02]: You know their targets they

[00:19:45] [SPEAKER_02]: They're not too concerned about the cry babies that we have here in the United States it cry about how hard the targets are

[00:19:54] [SPEAKER_02]: You know what their targets

[00:19:57] [SPEAKER_02]: They were pretty awesome and my opinion. I thought it was great. Oh in England

[00:20:03] [SPEAKER_02]: I thought that that E.J. Churchill is I've heard about it for many many many years

[00:20:12] [SPEAKER_02]: I've finally got to see it. What a place

[00:20:14] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, incredible hungry was something

[00:20:19] [SPEAKER_02]: Pretty spectacular too

[00:20:21] [SPEAKER_02]: You know, but

[00:20:23] [SPEAKER_02]: The only problem with that is you know what you I look at targets over there and go what do you do with that?

[00:20:32] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean they sort of stuff I've never seen before never even dreamed of seeing before

[00:20:37] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, no really yeah. I mean

[00:20:43] [SPEAKER_02]: That was that was

[00:20:45] [SPEAKER_02]: That was something to see I'll tell you what

[00:20:49] [SPEAKER_02]: But I hope that I get the opportunity to go again. Are you doing? Do you coach?

[00:20:55] [SPEAKER_00]: Do you tell me you were you coached any is that right around?

[00:20:59] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I started coaching again. You know, I've coached a few

[00:21:04] [SPEAKER_02]: Here a few younger shooters here and there over the years but I've never taken it real serious and lightly I've been

[00:21:12] [SPEAKER_02]: Doing taking the coaching pretty serious and

[00:21:16] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm starting to get a pretty big claim tell and you enjoy it now.

[00:21:22] [SPEAKER_02]: You know, I really do

[00:21:23] [SPEAKER_02]: Years ago I didn't like it much. I'd rather be shooting and coaching

[00:21:27] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and now I'm

[00:21:31] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm really enjoying coaching

[00:21:33] [SPEAKER_02]: You know, yeah, and it's

[00:21:37] [SPEAKER_02]: I got some pretty good pretty good talent coming along right now

[00:21:41] [SPEAKER_02]: And it's fun to watch and watch them, you know, come up through the, through the classes

[00:21:46] [SPEAKER_00]: What work, where do you coach at? What gun club you shoot at most?

[00:21:50] [SPEAKER_02]: I've been coaching at more and more sporting plays a little.

[00:21:55] [SPEAKER_02]: I've been coaching a lot at LA plays

[00:21:59] [SPEAKER_02]: And a lot at Purnedun clubs

[00:22:03] [SPEAKER_00]: Up in Baker's field. What do you consider your home club?

[00:22:06] [SPEAKER_00]: That would have to be LA plays

[00:22:09] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not a lot of people. I'm not a lot of people.

[00:22:11] [SPEAKER_02]: You know, I try to get out once once a week it's like can

[00:22:16] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but you know, it depends on, you know, what kind of workload I got, you know?

[00:22:22] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, well, I want to talk about that a minute

[00:22:25] [SPEAKER_00]: When we finish shooting together, up at the regional

[00:22:29] [SPEAKER_00]: We sat around, I don't know, talk for 20, 30 minutes and I ask you

[00:22:33] [SPEAKER_00]: What you did for a living and you may have the coolest job that I've ever heard of

[00:22:39] [SPEAKER_00]: And what I want you to do is I want you to talk about it for a minute

[00:22:42] [SPEAKER_00]: Tell everyone what you do and how you got into doing this and then we're going to dig into it a little

[00:22:47] [SPEAKER_02]: Currently, I'm a 399 Hollywood teamster

[00:22:51] [SPEAKER_02]: And that's for the Hollywood all the Hollywood studios

[00:22:54] [SPEAKER_02]: Whether it be universal fuck, paramount, Warner Brothers, I worked around those studios

[00:23:02] [SPEAKER_02]: Depending on the shows and their needs when they call me

[00:23:11] [SPEAKER_02]: You know, I'm not stuck

[00:23:13] [SPEAKER_02]: Usually on a show. I worked a lot of different shows over the years

[00:23:17] [SPEAKER_02]: I did a lot on the Terminator

[00:23:21] [SPEAKER_02]: Gone in 60 seconds

[00:23:23] [SPEAKER_02]: You know, I did a lot for the Fast and Furious franchise

[00:23:32] [SPEAKER_02]: And

[00:23:35] [SPEAKER_02]: Recently I've been working

[00:23:37] [SPEAKER_02]: I worked on a show called Terminal List, I don't know if you've seen that

[00:23:42] [SPEAKER_02]: Terminal List, it's a good watch, watch that one

[00:23:47] [SPEAKER_02]: I had an offer to go on Yellowstone last year for six months and turn it down

[00:23:52] [SPEAKER_02]: I didn't want to go away from home that long

[00:23:54] [SPEAKER_00]: Alright, so you're talking about all these movies you've been a part of

[00:23:59] [SPEAKER_00]: And people probably thinking, well, hey, I'm not going to watch it to see if I can see him in the movie

[00:24:03] [SPEAKER_00]: But you're not in the movies but you're not in the movies right?

[00:24:07] [SPEAKER_02]: No, I do driving work, enemy of the state

[00:24:13] [SPEAKER_02]: I did a big shot now in the middle of the state, driving the big black Peter built

[00:24:18] [SPEAKER_02]: It was going through the intersection with the ambulance on that

[00:24:25] [SPEAKER_02]: And in Terminator

[00:24:28] [SPEAKER_02]: Terminator 2, they had a big crash

[00:24:31] [SPEAKER_02]: Where the tow truck went through the bridge and off into the wash

[00:24:35] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that was one of the big gags I did

[00:24:41] [SPEAKER_02]: And they couldn't put a stuntman in that because that was about a 60 foot drop

[00:24:48] [SPEAKER_02]: When it went through the wall into that wash

[00:24:51] [SPEAKER_02]: So what we did is we welded, we welded the steering

[00:24:57] [SPEAKER_02]: And we put about I think there was about 1800 foot of cable laying out

[00:25:04] [SPEAKER_02]: And we put what they call a six-part line

[00:25:08] [SPEAKER_02]: Run through snatch blocks on the street that were

[00:25:12] [SPEAKER_02]: Tie down to plates in the street

[00:25:16] [SPEAKER_02]: And we cableed that thing off behind one of my trucks

[00:25:21] [SPEAKER_02]: And it went off on the radar gun, they had it at like 65 miles

[00:25:26] [SPEAKER_02]: An hour when they'd hit the wall and went through the wall down into the

[00:25:31] [SPEAKER_02]: Into the wash

[00:25:32] [SPEAKER_00]: You have trucks working for these shows

[00:25:36] [SPEAKER_00]: You're not tearing up your own stuff, you're driving their stuff

[00:25:40] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and what I'm what I gather is you kind of say

[00:25:44] [SPEAKER_00]: Gone in 60 seconds in a wreck, you pulled cars through

[00:25:48] [SPEAKER_00]: Made it look like they were just tearing up everything right

[00:25:51] [SPEAKER_02]: No, no if you watched on in 60 seconds you'll see the big case thing

[00:25:56] [SPEAKER_02]: With the police pursuit where the must-been comes through the garage

[00:26:02] [SPEAKER_02]: And it goes nose to nose with a big black Peter built

[00:26:07] [SPEAKER_02]: Coming down the street is he's backing up the Peter built right on his nose

[00:26:12] [SPEAKER_02]: That was one of my if you watch it that was one of my heavy records

[00:26:18] [SPEAKER_02]: And I was driving that

[00:26:21] [SPEAKER_00]: I know you told me you could see you in a couple but it wasn't for long right

[00:26:25] [SPEAKER_02]: Usually you can't see it they usually don't they don't put

[00:26:31] [SPEAKER_00]: You don't get to see you in there right

[00:26:33] [SPEAKER_02]: No, you don't get to see me much you can see me in last boy scout

[00:26:39] [SPEAKER_02]: None of the terminators you know

[00:26:43] [SPEAKER_02]: A lot of the you know did you ever see the

[00:26:49] [SPEAKER_02]: The big tanker wreck in Terminator 2 where Arnold's up on the side of the tanker

[00:26:55] [SPEAKER_00]: I don't it's been so long since I've seen it like it if I've seen it or not. I know I've watched the movie

[00:27:01] [SPEAKER_00]: So I'm sure I saw it at one point my life

[00:27:04] [SPEAKER_02]: Well when they had Arnold up on the side of the tanker the director told me just don't just don't snap that thing too hard

[00:27:12] [SPEAKER_02]: Drop him off in the alley

[00:27:13] [SPEAKER_02]: You know because we had him up on the tanker and I was dragging that tanker down the alley behind one of the trucks

[00:27:22] [SPEAKER_02]: You know there's there's a lot goes on behind the scenes and you know

[00:27:27] [SPEAKER_02]: You don't get on camera much

[00:27:30] [SPEAKER_00]: So that's now that you know kind of what you know with the stunts and what how it really happens is it fun watching movies anymore

[00:27:37] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah, I always like watching good movies. Can you pick out something that's been staged or not not real so to speak?

[00:27:45] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's the bad part about it because you know what they

[00:27:49] [SPEAKER_02]: When you're filming the movies and you're working them you know they they don't film them

[00:28:00] [SPEAKER_02]: The shots in sequence and then they start cutting and change and everything and you know, wow that was at the end of the movie

[00:28:07] [SPEAKER_02]: But it's up here in the front, you know they cut and splice so much

[00:28:11] [SPEAKER_00]: You can't tell which is which how long to take them make one of those movies

[00:28:15] [SPEAKER_00]: Like Terminator how long are you working out there?

[00:28:18] [SPEAKER_02]: I worked on that for about seven months

[00:28:21] [SPEAKER_02]: Wow, and you know fast and furious five

[00:28:25] [SPEAKER_02]: They took me and my truck over to Puerto Rico for two months

[00:28:31] [SPEAKER_02]: I worked there for two months and then it landed Georgia for a couple months and then on home

[00:28:39] [SPEAKER_02]: You know a lot of the stuff in the Terminator movies was all done and it landed right around Atlanta, Georgia

[00:28:46] [SPEAKER_02]: There's a lot of stuff that's actually filmed in Georgia

[00:28:49] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, you know what that's got to be in the Mexico and Atlanta or

[00:28:57] [SPEAKER_02]: And parts of Louisiana they got more more movies going on there than they do here in California

[00:29:05] [SPEAKER_00]: Really Louis, Indiana

[00:29:08] [SPEAKER_02]: Georgia Georgia's got a lot more played than we have here in health

[00:29:13] [SPEAKER_02]: Why is that you think because they give them the tax breaks

[00:29:19] [SPEAKER_02]: You know, California does give them anything back and they take everything

[00:29:25] [SPEAKER_02]: The Mexico public curcies is huge. You ought to see the studios they built over in

[00:29:33] [SPEAKER_02]: The eastern side of Albuquerque

[00:29:35] [SPEAKER_00]: How did you get into this Tom?

[00:29:38] [SPEAKER_02]: You probably wouldn't remember it you're probably a kid a little kid

[00:29:42] [SPEAKER_02]: There was a show on TV called Fall Guy yours though

[00:29:46] [SPEAKER_02]: You know, he's all about stuntman. Yeah, I remember that. Okay. Well, that's how I started you know they

[00:29:54] [SPEAKER_02]: They were filming down the street from my record company and this is when I was first starting in the record service

[00:30:02] [SPEAKER_02]: They were crashing cars and you know flipping them over and ravines and you know jumping them off a jump down into the ravine and everything

[00:30:11] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, the guy come walking into my art and he says hey, do you think you'd want to come over here and pull out that stuff out for us?

[00:30:19] [SPEAKER_02]: They're secure

[00:30:21] [SPEAKER_02]: And that was a start of it. Then it just you know snowballs from there. Yeah, call this guy. He knows how to do it. Yeah, I mean

[00:30:31] [SPEAKER_02]: You know, it got to the point where you know the any times

[00:30:36] [SPEAKER_02]: You know nine out of ten times if you've seen a record in a TV show or a movie it was one of my records

[00:30:43] [SPEAKER_02]: So how many records do you have now? Don't have any records now. All I have now is

[00:30:49] [SPEAKER_02]: I showed you that picture that big low bed that I have

[00:30:54] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, and I still run studio stuff with that. I keep it

[00:30:58] [SPEAKER_02]: For moving me oversized loads and you know the train cars on subway cars and everything for the studio

[00:31:06] [SPEAKER_02]: So I keep I just kept that one and I sold off everything else. What what's the biggest thing you've had to move?

[00:31:14] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, have you ever heard the name Bradson Brad was a top shot in California

[00:31:19] [SPEAKER_02]: He's yes, I have

[00:31:21] [SPEAKER_02]: The friends was act was actually been a good shot. He's in Missouri now

[00:31:27] [SPEAKER_02]: Matter of fact when we were shooting a super sporting that kid I was talking to that was quite in front of us

[00:31:34] [SPEAKER_02]: That's Brad's that's Brad Jr. That's Brad's son. Okay, and

[00:31:41] [SPEAKER_02]: You know I've driven for Brad Brad moves million pound loads on a weekly basis

[00:31:48] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean he moves million pound transformers. He does all the

[00:31:53] [SPEAKER_02]: Transformers for all the power companies all over the country. So I've driven for him a little little and

[00:32:01] [SPEAKER_02]: You know the loads that I'm learning near that kind of way, but you know usually

[00:32:05] [SPEAKER_02]: You know in my stuff I'm I'm between 80 in 150,000 pounds is where I usually

[00:32:15] [SPEAKER_00]: Stay around here. What what was that like what is the something we would know what have you moved?

[00:32:22] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, if you see that movie terminal list you'll see the C130 that they have

[00:32:27] [SPEAKER_02]: They're doing all the filming in the C130 field so large

[00:32:32] [SPEAKER_02]: I move that C130 field so large for am I moved it from

[00:32:39] [SPEAKER_02]: LAX out to Ontario airport where they were filming in the hangar out and Ontario airport

[00:32:47] [SPEAKER_00]: That just sounds like it's a cool job to me. We talked about it forever other day when we were shooting

[00:32:53] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm just it's just you know it's a lot of fun, but they don't ever give me enough notice to get

[00:32:58] [SPEAKER_02]: You know to get

[00:33:01] [SPEAKER_02]: To where you feel like

[00:33:04] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I've been kind of fan idea at all everything is last minute with the you know

[00:33:09] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, hurry hurry

[00:33:11] [SPEAKER_02]: You know they want it and they want the impossible done right now. You know

[00:33:18] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, didn't you say you had something to do with

[00:33:21] [SPEAKER_02]: Transformers the movie? Yeah, if you see in transformers you see the

[00:33:27] [SPEAKER_02]: Or that buses running down the freeway and blows it up and blows it in half

[00:33:35] [SPEAKER_02]: That was that was done behind I was cabling that truck. The or that bus behind me

[00:33:42] [SPEAKER_02]: And there was a stuntman in the bus, but the bus wasn't

[00:33:46] [SPEAKER_02]: Dribalble so we towed it in the shot and then at the last minute

[00:33:50] [SPEAKER_02]: We put a we put a charge on the cable and blew the cable and I come out of the shot

[00:33:57] [SPEAKER_02]: And then they blew the they blew the bus in half going down the freeway

[00:34:05] [SPEAKER_02]: And then we did the in the original

[00:34:12] [SPEAKER_02]: Transformers you see the two deso rigs hit head on that was that was done with cables

[00:34:18] [SPEAKER_02]: And I pulled those together with

[00:34:23] [SPEAKER_02]: With a

[00:34:24] [SPEAKER_00]: Pully system with cables so you're just pulling it pulling both of those cars head on or whatever it was head on and one and other just using cables

[00:34:33] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, well they were cab over trucks and they could put stuntman in them because they'd never survived it with the cabovers

[00:34:40] [SPEAKER_02]: The cabovers are the ones where the driver sit right at the front window

[00:34:44] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and they wanted to use cabovers and so

[00:34:49] [SPEAKER_02]: They took the driver drivers out and we decided to cable them together and

[00:34:57] [SPEAKER_02]: You know as usual they

[00:35:00] [SPEAKER_02]: They wanted they figured they could do it with a small truck and they tried and they couldn't get the speed they needed

[00:35:06] [SPEAKER_02]: So then they called me at the last minute and said how long will it take you to get San Francisco

[00:35:12] [SPEAKER_02]: You know so I ended up driving up there in the next morning

[00:35:16] [SPEAKER_02]: We we did the shot. I was took us about 45 minutes and we were done. It just sounds like a fun job. It's probably

[00:35:25] [SPEAKER_00]: You probably are tired of it. I don't know maybe you're not but I would just think you find believe it or not

[00:35:31] [SPEAKER_02]: I still really enjoy it. It's you know, it's a lot of fun. Tell me one story before I let you tell me one of your

[00:35:39] [SPEAKER_00]: Best sporting clay stories

[00:35:42] [SPEAKER_02]: Me and Zach in a shirt off at the 2006 stage shirt. That's a standout. What's the story? What happened?

[00:35:49] [SPEAKER_02]: And I'm so old I don't remember what happened. That's that

[00:35:56] [SPEAKER_02]: I know you know I hadn't seen Zach in a lot of years and I quit shooting for 10 years and

[00:36:07] [SPEAKER_02]: That year I decided to come back to shooting and

[00:36:12] [SPEAKER_02]: Men's Zach ended up in a shirt off of all people because Zach's always been one of my favorite people in the game.

[00:36:19] [SPEAKER_02]: You know, I kind of watched that grow up in the game and he's always been he's always been great

[00:36:25] [SPEAKER_02]: They don't get any better than the app you know

[00:36:29] [SPEAKER_02]: Zach you know what I knew when he was you know

[00:36:33] [SPEAKER_02]: 12 years old, I never forget me and his dad were talking one day

[00:36:38] [SPEAKER_02]: And he asked me says hey how do you think he's doing nice that kids going to be great one day

[00:36:43] [SPEAKER_02]: You watch

[00:36:45] [SPEAKER_02]: Fair enough. That was right. I told him when we were England I said you know

[00:36:51] [SPEAKER_02]: A lot of people say you got it made Zach I wouldn't have your job for nothing

[00:36:56] [SPEAKER_02]: Not a chance

[00:36:58] [SPEAKER_02]: I said you yeah, I told him I said you know what that's a rough deal

[00:37:04] [SPEAKER_02]: What you're doing. I mean I'm doing it for fun and I'm wore out and I don't you know

[00:37:10] [SPEAKER_02]: And I only go out of town, you know three or four times a year and I don't want to do it anymore than that

[00:37:18] [SPEAKER_00]: Now are you going to the nationals? Oh, yeah, what are you doing next?

[00:37:21] [SPEAKER_02]: I just got back from Montana. I went up and seen Mike Lupold and had him do some work on my stock for me and

[00:37:29] [SPEAKER_02]: Got to see a field crowd dog that I got running in Montana right now

[00:37:34] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah, I'm going to go to nationals and then I'm going to start

[00:37:39] [SPEAKER_02]: Figure it out how to get my dog off the truck so I can go hunting with things

[00:37:45] [SPEAKER_00]: Dog you talking about yeah, I don't want to go hunting with him

[00:37:49] [SPEAKER_02]: He's pretty awesome. He just you know he's qualified all age and he's getting ready to start running the open

[00:37:55] [SPEAKER_02]: She's quite a dog. He's a powerhouse. Yeah, he's a lot of fun. What do you do?

[00:38:02] [SPEAKER_00]: Tom and your in your free time so you're not shooting and not working. What do you like it?

[00:38:07] [SPEAKER_02]: You know if I got my dog at home

[00:38:11] [SPEAKER_02]: I love to train with my dog and you know I didn't run and feel throughout dogs and

[00:38:19] [SPEAKER_02]: I was a kid and I really enjoyed the field trial dogs, but right now he's in Montana

[00:38:27] [SPEAKER_02]: So finding things to keep me occupied like giving lessons and trying to make some money

[00:38:33] [SPEAKER_00]: You're just interesting got me. I don't know why that I just kind of thought this guy is interesting right here

[00:38:40] [SPEAKER_00]: So your your history and the sport and what you do for a living and what you did for a living as far as I'm in the

[00:38:47] [SPEAKER_00]: I think you tell me it was one of the largest records services on the whole West Coast. What like it was just a few tow trucks, you know

[00:38:54] [SPEAKER_02]: So now when when I was

[00:38:58] [SPEAKER_02]: When I had

[00:39:01] [SPEAKER_02]: I had 49 at one time and big wreck big tow trucks

[00:39:06] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, I had a mix of big and small

[00:39:09] [SPEAKER_02]: I had I did the Beverly Hills police tollings and I had seven divisions for the California Highway Patrol

[00:39:19] [SPEAKER_02]: And we had

[00:39:21] [SPEAKER_02]: 18 heavy records

[00:39:25] [SPEAKER_02]: And I had nine low beds running moving

[00:39:31] [SPEAKER_02]: Escavators and dosers and

[00:39:35] [SPEAKER_02]: It was a full service company and

[00:39:40] [SPEAKER_02]: That was that was a lot of fun. I enjoyed it. I really enjoy it

[00:39:47] [SPEAKER_02]: And you know it's

[00:39:50] [SPEAKER_02]: It's been

[00:39:52] [SPEAKER_02]: Been a lot of fun traveling like I say I've never never got to do much of it now that I'm doing it

[00:39:58] [SPEAKER_02]: It's it's a lot of fun. I really enjoy going to places like Morris Brook at places amazing

[00:40:04] [SPEAKER_00]: The just everything up there is very nice

[00:40:08] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, no he puts on a he puts on a great spirit. I've been there a couple times now and can't wait to go back

[00:40:15] [SPEAKER_00]: I appreciate you coming home and look forward to seeing you again

[00:40:19] [SPEAKER_00]: And maybe you get on team USA this year and you'll get to travel somewhere else

[00:40:24] [SPEAKER_02]: Won't be for the lack of trains

[00:40:27] [SPEAKER_00]: You're going to try to get on team US. I'm sure you won't have a problem with that

[00:40:31] [SPEAKER_00]: But like I said, I appreciate you coming home and spending some time with me and talking about yourself

[00:40:37] [SPEAKER_02]: And I'll see you somewhere. I know well, thanks for having me. I appreciate it. Thanks, Charles

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