Discover the future of shooting eyewear as we chat with Dennis Sprenger and Phillip Pilla about the game-changing Raptor II series. Prepare to be amazed by the innovative lens technology that's about to take the shooting world by storm in 2024. From the vibrant chromatic shifts to the practicality of transitioning from the shooting range to everyday wear, this episode is packed with insights on the latest advancements from Pilla. Get a peek into the meticulous crafting behind each pair of glasses.
We discuss features that set the Raptor 2, Velociraptor, and Outlaw series apart from their competition. We get into the complexities of matching prescription lenses to the specific needs of different shooting disciplines, and just how Raptor series stays ahead of the curve. You will be amazed by the customization options and groundbreaking filter technologies designed to enhance visual acuity in any lighting condition. This episode is an explains a lot, in detail, for shooting enthusiasts eager to learn about the vision-enhancing capabilities of these high-performance eyewear options.
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Speaker 3: In this episode, dennis Springer and Phillip Pila
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revealed the new products for 2024.
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Listen closely as they talk about the differences between
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the lenses.
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They talk about the new Raptor II and they even explain why the
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Outlaws are called X6 and X7, which I didn't know.
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Thanks for joining us today on Shotgun Sports USA.
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Hey.
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Speaker 4: Dennis, what's up?
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Hey, not much, just looking forward to talking to you again
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and just sharing some new information with everybody.
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Speaker 3: Well, you were just on a few weeks ago or a month
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ago or whatever it was.
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You have more to talk about.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, we really do.
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The Raptor II has come out and I know there's a lot of
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questions about that and we finally got the 2024 lenses.
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I think they were in customs for three weeks I think Phil was
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going to have a stroke but those finally came out last week
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.
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Hoping that you got your package.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I made a post about it.
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Yeah, it's all right.
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The.
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We'll talk about the lenses later when we get Phil on.
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But yeah, the new 12 is pretty, pretty popping.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean that that 19 just became really
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popular and more and more and more and and people wanted
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something a little darker and, like you said, it's, it's stout
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and and Phil will go into it too .
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I mean there's new acronyms.
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You know spa, you know he has on every lens.
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So I want to ask him things like that what?
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Ok, it was bad enough.
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You couldn't explain chroma shift.
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Now explain spa to me.
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You know, and he's just so good at that.
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I mean, he's lived reason dies to stuff and he's so like not,
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you know, not even looking at this 2024 stuff.
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I'm not kidding that, he's talking about stuff in 2025 and
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26.
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And some of the technology is just mind blowing and I mean
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it's exciting as a as a Pula dealer, to hear how he keeps
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pushing envelope and and just working with everybody.
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You know, like yesterday, you know, I think, when you called
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me and we tried to set this up, I said, man it, and just, you
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know it's hard, justin.
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And you said what's so hard about selling pilas?
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Remember, yeah, remember, when you're you're questioning me and
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I said, well, maybe the word isn't hard.
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I said it's, it's consuming because I mean we literally get
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30 messages a day and and just just answering questions and
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things like that.
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Because, as you know, the reason we're doing this podcast
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is because this product is complex and for some reason, I
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still enjoy helping people.
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So just looking forward to tonight and just getting that
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message out to everybody.
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Speaker 3: It's Pula.
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Pula is really confusing with the numbers.
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You know we've talked about that before.
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There's so many numbers that mean so many different things,
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and now he's adding in blueberry and lime chroma shift and don't
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forget.
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Speaker 4: Goldenberry, Goldenberry and you know, big
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guava yeah, red hot chili pepper yeah.
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Speaker 3: But there's a reason behind all of it, you know.
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Speaker 4: I'm excited to listen to him talk about it, so I hope
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everybody else is too so.
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But you know I'm looking forward to this year and and and
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you know things are going good, you know.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I saw your daughter and her husband at Jack
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Link's with Clay Target Vision.
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I guess you didn't feel like coming.
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You should do good to go down there, right.
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Speaker 4: That's a long way away, I don't.
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I mean, like I told you, I haven't been south of Illinois.
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Well, so are they.
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Where are they from?
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They're from Wisconsin, they in Beloit they live.
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But yeah, I know, I don't worry , I heard about it, and so she
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talked the old boy to going into the southeast region also.
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You know that's that's coming up quick.
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You know that's three weeks away.
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So I'm really looking forward to coming to Georgia.
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I hear it's supposed to be nice .
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Yeah, what do you know about Georgia?
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Speaker 3: Georgia is fine right now, but you need to come on
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back when it's about August and see what you think about it then
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.
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Yeah, oh, you know, we did it.
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We did some giveaways down at Jack Link, so you sent me some
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frames and I thought that was a pretty good turnout, I mean as
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far as the interaction we have with some people, and maybe
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we'll get to do that again somewhere.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean well, like, do you have any pulled on
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there in Georgia at that southeast regional?
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Do you think I'll have a good spot?
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Speaker 3: Well, zach Garedo is always going to give you a good
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spot.
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I'm going to be serious about this.
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There's not a bad spot down there, it's.
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I mean it's a straight line.
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I mean there's.
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You know where all the vendors go.
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It's pretty much right there.
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You know, let's.
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He parks you around the corner somewhere down by the, where
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everybody keeps the campers and stuff.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, my buddy ordered me a new tent, so I'm
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really looking forward to that.
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I hope I have it in time.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, we're going to have you set up, so we'll talk
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about that for a second.
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You're doing something a little different this year.
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When you go to places, you're going to have a bigger tent,
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right Correct, with sides and with graphics and with all this
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crazy stuff on it.
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What are you doing that for?
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Because you got, because you got wet at nationals, or because
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you want to do something, boy?
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Speaker 4: I did get wet at nationals.
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It did rain that whole week and it's like every time it rained
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the tablecloth got wet and we were hanging stuff up in the
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wind and so, like I said, I have a good buddy that set me up
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here and yeah, no, we're looking forward to this summer, you
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know, going down to the southeast region all, and then
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the month right after that going to M&M.
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And you know I was on Phil three years ago about that shoot
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.
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I really wanted to, you know, be there and Phil's been good
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enough to me to, you know, with his friendship with Anthony and
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stuff like that, to secure that for us.
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So, and after that, the world fee test by Pete Malloy's, and
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we're going to be sponsoring the prelim up there and help
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supporting him a little bit.
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Is that how you?
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Speaker 3: say it.
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Speaker 4: Preliminary, I think it's three courses.
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So three syllables, three courses.
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Oh, I got it.
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Yeah, and then you know, being the title sponsor again for the
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US Open and at my home club, which I'm really, really excited
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about.
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I just think you know, you know me, I'm proud of Northbrook,
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brett and the board and I don't know.
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I just you know, those guys are just every time I go there to
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shoot like there's a bulldozer working, there's something being
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done.
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You can see your money at work.
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You know, today I had two pallets of shells.
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Fedex calls me and says your two pallets of shells are being
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dropped off and I'm like, oh crap, I didn't call Brett.
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So I called Brett and just say Brett, can you get two pallets
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of shells free?
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Answers.
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The phone sends me a picture of the two pallets on the ground.
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The target setter calls me Tony asked for my combo of my unit.
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You know they put it on the forklift, put it inside.
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I don't know, it's just, it's a great club and I think that if
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you haven't signed up for the US Open, I mean it's just.
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I just have a lot of faith in Brett and everybody at that club
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that it's going to be a great shoot.
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Speaker 3: Yeah Well, they always put on a good shoot.
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I mean, it's big enough, it's tough enough, and you know now
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how far do you live from Northbrook.
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Speaker 4: I live an hour and 20 minutes and you know I drive by
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a lot of clubs to get to it.
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I live in Wisconsin but for me, even at 40 cents a target, I
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feel like I get the most value by going there.
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And and you know it's.
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You know I'm trying to think I'll be wrong at this, but we
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must have like 50 garages on the property.
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You know where.
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You know I come pulling up, I push the button, my garage opens
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up, there's my ranger.
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You know we have.
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I have my shells in there.
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It's just.
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It's just, I don't know it.
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It it?
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They're really accommodating and it's.
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You know, great restaurants.
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You can have a nice breakfast or just everything about it is
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nice.
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So I'm just just looking forward to the US Open, like
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always, yeah, yeah.
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Speaker 3: Well, you're going more places than you did last
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year and the year before and the year before.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, you know it, and that's just because of my
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daughter and you know my son along my wife, you know, I mean
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I think with all four of us now, I mean we're, we're looking
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forward and I said it last time.
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I mean it's just, it's nice to be with everybody and see
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everybody.
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That just makes it, it brings everything full circle.
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You can talk to him on the phone, but you know shaking
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somebody's hand and you know, even at the, you know the
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nationals.
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I mean people are baking stuff for us and bringing us food, and
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it's just, you know.
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I don't know.
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I enjoy it more and more and my daughter is pushing me more and
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more.
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Like, dad, you're going, so I guess I'm going to the Southeast
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and see my buddy Justin.
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Speaker 3: Well, I'll tell you this.
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So I mean, I've been to a lot of clubs and I don't remember
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one that has where.
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So where four city is located is right in the middle of
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everything.
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Like you could.
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You could pull out of there and get to a barbecue restaurant
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and literally two minutes and then you can go right across the
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street from it and eat seafood.
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I mean, the hotels are 10 minutes away.
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It's it's like everything is right there, and if you don't
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have something to do.
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You're going to ghost tour.
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If you don't like that, then you can go.
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Look at all the history from you know the wars back in the
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day.
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So there's all kind of stuff you can do in Savannah.
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Speaker 4: Well, I paid a tour.
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I paid a tour guide, so I'm hoping I get a good.
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Have a good trip.
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Speaker 3: Well, that'll be good .
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So something is something new.
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You're starting this year probably at the regional is
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called the Clay Target vision lounge, right.
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Speaker 4: The CTV lounge?
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Yeah, we're going to.
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You know what is that?
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We, I don't know.
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We always have people hanging out or stuff like that.
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And you know, even, like Rebecca said, that you know Zach
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and Desi are there and Jim Greenwood's working on Zach's
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gun and and it's just nice to have a place to come sit and
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relax and, just like you said, socialize.
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So, yeah, we're going to have the CTV lounge down there and
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you know, at all these shoots we want to just make it that.
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I mean Rebecca, you know, tells me dad, you give too much away.
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But you know, at the Jack links I think she did pretty good.
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You know, as far as you know, we really like to give back to our
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customers because I have to admit, I mean, yeah, we are busy
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, yeah, we do really well, but it's our customers and it's just
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a great way for us to, you know , have a cooler of water or just
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something and giveaways, and I don't know, it's just we want to
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give back to the sport.
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You know, more than people think and we do, you know, just
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by.
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You know the sponsorships and things like that, and I'm
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sponsoring, you know, the grand again this year.
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I'm not even sure if I'm going, but I want to sponsor, you know
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, the grand and and and those shooters mean a lot to me, those
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trap shooters and you know, just to have that.
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You know is is important to us and and, like I said, we just
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want to be able to share with our customers some of our
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success.
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And they say they seem to respond to that and tell their
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buddies, or you know friends, and and we keep growing.
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That's for sure.
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Speaker 3: Are you gonna have gummy bears at the regional?
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Are you gonna carry those on a plane?
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Are you gonna get you some?
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Speaker 4: No, I got a buddy that lives in Georgia.
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I'm going to ship everything down to him and then I'm going
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to make him bring it to me In that order.
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My wife packed for you this week.
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I told her don't put gummy bears in there.
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Did she listen to me?
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Speaker 3: No, there's gummy bears in there.
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All right, good, why, well, she's not?
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Speaker 4: no, I just told her he don't don't, he don't need
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gummy bears, and so I was just curious if she sent them.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, she sent me.
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She didn't send me as many packs as she normally does.
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I counted them.
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You only send me four.
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She only sent me three this time.
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Speaker 4: All right I got one card.
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One card.
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That's hard to market us with one card.
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I'll have to talk to her about that, you know.
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But that's, that's part of our success.
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Every quarter we put some business cards in and and and,
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like I said, it really helps because people, if, if I can get
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that order out within hours and that customer calls me, you
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know, a day or two later it says I can't believe I have my order
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.
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It just, it just helps us, you know, grow the business and
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that's, you know, part of it.
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So we just keep pedal to the metal and try to have fun doing
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it.
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So it's great.
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You want to give the old boy a call here?
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Speaker 3: So what we have.
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We got Dennis on, of course, and we were talking about what
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he's going to be doing this year as far as the shoots are
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concerned.
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And then we also talking about the new lenses that are out for
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24.
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And yeah, and all the.
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We talked about the names and how we want to find out how you
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come up with all those, all those crazy names and they mean
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something and we want to find out what that is.
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And then you got the new Raptor that's out.
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So, let's, we didn't, we didn't talk about that, the last show
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that you did.
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So let's, let's kind of get into that, this show, and uh,
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okay, and let's talk about what's new.
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And Dennis, if you want to you probably know the question Ask
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him as far as the new lenses getting here.
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Speaker 4: Well, if I ask him questions, I kind of ask him the
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questions that that I get all day.
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So I'm pretty much just representing the, the, you know
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the customer out there.
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But, phil, yeah, pretty exciting to get the Raptor to.
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Maybe let's just start off a little bit and talk about Raptor
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to.
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What are the big differences, what are the similarities, how,
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and?
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And just explain it a little bit to us and why you're so
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excited about the Raptor to and also Phil.
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Speaker 3: let me add to that.
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Let's talk about the difference in the Raptor and then the
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outlaw.
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Okay, Cause some people may not know what that is.
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Speaker 4: And even the 540 and 580, justin, I think we can hit
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on all that, especially when it comes to RX.
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That's a lot of a lot of questions during the day and
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even if we can just touch on those for five minutes, I think
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everyone liked to hear a little bit about all that.
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All right, sounds good, so I'll start with the Raptor 2, phil.
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Speaker 2: Okay, the Raptor 2 is an evolution of the Raptor
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platform and the Raptor platform was really an evolution from
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our 580.
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And the deployment of that kind of technology is really more
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for individuals that want slightly more of a traditional
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look to what they're wearing.
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And then you know we have actually a ton of customers that
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want a pair of glasses that they can go shoot in, get in
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their truck, go get a gallon of milk, go home and never take
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their glasses off.
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So you know, that kind of fits the bill there, just purely from
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a lifestyle and a cosmetic look , the frame is a phenomenal
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frame to wear in the field for small game and any or hunting
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needs.
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So you know, from a pure, just to say, model standpoint, you
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know, for the last I'd say, 15, 20 years we've always had mask
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product, meaning one lens across your entire face, and we've
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kind of dabbled in the two lens solution because there's a lot
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of folks out there that like a two lens solution and a fully
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corrective measure in terms of utilizing prescriptions.
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So the Raptor II really builds on the evolution of really what
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we did with the Raptor.
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And the Raptor is very different than the 580 and 540
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or 500 series line because what it allows the lens to do is
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float.
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So the original design study was how can you actually make a
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pair of glasses where the corrective measure, meaning the
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prescriptive lens, is not affected by the wearer or the
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wearer of the product, where when you flex a frame you
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actually change the attitude of the lens on your face, thus
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potentially influencing prescriptive power either
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positively or negatively?
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So the Raptor originally was designed to, you know,
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facilitate a frame where that would not happen.
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Then we kind of noticed a couple of things happening in
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the marketplace where a couple of different types of styles
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were being presented, and we felt that, given our engineering
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background and the way that we facilitate, you know, our
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thought process and bringing a product to the market, we wanted
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to out engineer anything on the market, and the Raptor II,
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along with the Velociraptor, is some of the most adjustable
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product that's on the market.
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I mean you can simply tune a pair of glasses either using our
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planal lens technology, which is the non-prescriptive filters,
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or prescriptive filters, and really tune someone's
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prescription in the model.
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And that really was the genesis of what we were trying to do
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was make a pair of glasses that you could really dial in a
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shooter's prescriptive need when they're in the stock.
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A lot of optometrists out there, which is why sometimes it's not
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the greatest thing to go to just a regular optometrist to
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get you know your product fitted for a gun.
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The ability to take a pair of glasses and fit them while
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you're actually using the instrument is a far better
00:19:01
solution than just standing and taking the same kind of
00:19:05
measurements that you would with a pair of street glasses.
00:19:08
So the Raptor II being an adjustable nosepiece on our
00:19:13
copahinge, we were able to actually change the panoscopic
00:19:17
angle, meaning the tilt of the lens from the cheek to the
00:19:20
forehead and then the extendability of the temple arms
00:19:24
.
00:19:24
You have a ton to work with to kind of tune the seg height,
00:19:29
which is really where the optical center in your glasses
00:19:32
is, using that particular product.
00:19:34
So that was really the genesis behind our two lens system with
00:19:39
the Raptor family.
00:19:41
The Raptor, I thought, was a fantastic cosmetic entry for us
00:19:45
and certainly had the technical ability to allow a frame to be
00:19:50
fit to someone without affecting the way the lens was sitting on
00:19:53
your face.
00:19:54
The Raptor II and the Velociraptor just takes the two
00:19:56
a new level in terms of the customization of the product.
00:20:01
And the nice thing about the product is there are people out
00:20:05
there that you know get a little frightened as to the cost of
00:20:08
doing prescriptive measures and they have a need, just given
00:20:13
where they are in their life, that their prescription may
00:20:16
change, you know, every 12 months, every 18 months or
00:20:19
whatnot, and then they got to invest in all kinds of new
00:20:21
lenses again if you're using filters with prescription ground
00:20:24
directly into the lenses.
00:20:26
The nice thing about the Raptor series is you can use a
00:20:29
prescriptive insert do it once, have all the Plano filters in
00:20:34
front of it, which you know the setup really does work amazingly
00:20:39
well or you can put fully prescriptive lenses with the
00:20:44
filter in them in the frame as well.
00:20:46
So the thing that I'm excited about in terms of the product it
00:20:49
just gives a ton of latitude for someone to utilize a pair of
00:20:54
glasses both for prescriptive measures as well as Plano
00:20:58
measures.
00:20:59
It looks fantastic and I have to say the quality of the
00:21:02
product is just unbelievable.
00:21:04
My team in Italy just did a phenomenal job manufacturing
00:21:10
this particular design.
00:21:11
It's of the highest quality on the market, fully adjustable,
00:21:16
and is one of those products that you really look good
00:21:20
wearing as well.
00:21:21
So I think it checks all the boxes for us.
00:21:24
Speaker 3: Whoa, I might need to get something that's going to
00:21:25
make me look good when I'm wearing them.
00:21:30
Speaker 4: The thing that I just want to explain.
00:21:31
You know, we do do our axis in the 540 and 580, like Phil said,
00:21:36
and, and now we can do the same R axis in the Raptor too.
00:21:40
But the thing that that that I don't know if everybody's aware
00:21:44
of, you can just buy a Raptor with a 18 CED, 54 CIHC and a 92
00:21:53
CIL and just wear them, you know , instead of outlaws and just
00:21:57
get into a more traditional but have all the same colors, all
00:22:01
the same ice coatings that the outlaws have.
00:22:04
And then you know that wasn't available where in the 540s or
00:22:09
the 580s, where you could actually get a Plano lens.
00:22:12
Plano meaning there's no script , just you know what we normally
00:22:15
sell.
00:22:16
And explain Phil a little bit.
00:22:19
You know, when we talk about outlaw 6 and outlaw 7, people
00:22:23
think you just numbered them wrong.
00:22:24
But the real reason behind the that's a 6 and a 7, it describes
00:22:31
the.
00:22:32
You know, explain that and then explain the curvatures in the
00:22:38
Raptor.
00:22:38
Both I think the Raptor is a 6 base frame and an 8 base lens.
00:22:44
Can you just go into that a little bit?
00:22:46
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean the numbers on our product do relate
00:22:52
to the base curve of the lens.
00:22:54
So, specifically on the outlaw X6, the reason we named it an
00:23:00
outlaw X6, it's a base 6 curve, which is a slightly flatter
00:23:05
curve than the outlaw X7, which is a base 7 curve lens, so it
00:23:11
has more wrap to it.
00:23:12
The nice thing about the Raptor frame is we have 8 base
00:23:20
geometry lenses that are de-centered, which means that we
00:23:24
can put more of an angle for lack of a better description in
00:23:30
the product and not have any aberration in terms of the
00:23:34
optics of the product.
00:23:35
The base 6 frame geometry gives us a lot of latitude in terms
00:23:41
of being able to do a wider range of prescriptive lenses
00:23:46
mounted directly to the frame.
00:23:48
So that gives us a lot of play in terms of being able to
00:23:55
utilize that product for a bunch of different uses.
00:23:58
The 8 base is even a higher wrap lens, so that really offers
00:24:05
not only a performance advantage but it really offers a
00:24:11
cosmetic look.
00:24:13
A traditional aviator is either on a 4 or a 6 base lens, so
00:24:18
it's a much flatter design.
00:24:19
Given the size of the lens is smaller, it actually just
00:24:23
perceptively looks flatter.
00:24:24
So product that has more wrap to.
00:24:28
It has a more cosmetically pleasing silhouette.
00:24:32
So the Raptor kind of checks those boxes as well.
00:24:37
Because we were really very focused on how do we do a
00:24:40
platform that is prescriptive friendly but also has a cosmetic
00:24:43
appeal to it as well.
00:24:46
So that was something that when I had one of the first
00:24:50
prototypes of the Raptor series, I had a 9.5 CID in it and I
00:25:00
can't tell you how many people would come up to me and say, wow
00:25:02
, that's just a great looking pair of glasses, not even
00:25:05
knowing that we manufactured them for shooting purposes.
00:25:10
The frame geometries are very fluid in terms of being able to
00:25:15
accommodate both needs in terms of plano, non-prescription and
00:25:19
prescription and, like I indicated before, you can buy a
00:25:24
plano kit and put a prescriptive element behind it.
00:25:29
We're also finding that people that want different prescriptive
00:25:34
levels like that particular approach because they can have
00:25:38
different inserts for more traditional approaches, whether
00:25:41
they're doing pistol shooting or whether they're doing hunting
00:25:44
on a scope, all those kinds of things.
00:25:46
There's a lot of utility in being able to use an insert in a
00:25:50
traditional pair of glasses with multi-filter approach,
00:25:53
meaning multi-lens kits from low light to full sun.
00:25:57
So the platform is, as I would say, a very elastic platform
00:26:03
because it really offers a whole lot of different options.
00:26:07
And the frame design also accommodates a straight bayonet
00:26:12
style, which is our edge temple, or a forked approach in terms
00:26:17
of you know, that's our trademark with our four points
00:26:20
of contact behind the year, with offsetting some of the weight
00:26:26
that the bridge feels on the front side of the glass.
00:26:30
So fantastic product has a lot of different technical merit and
00:26:36
then also really has I think you know, as I would say a lot
00:26:39
of street merit too, because it's just a great everyday pair
00:26:42
of glasses as well.
00:26:43
So Dennis points out quite well that you can put a full sun ED
00:26:50
meaning enhanced definition lens in the product, drive your car
00:26:54
with it all day and bang, get out at the range and even pop in
00:26:58
you know, a 92 CIL or even a 98 AR and go shoot under the
00:27:02
lights at the end of the day after you're done working.
00:27:04
So it's definitely a great new entry for us and certainly in
00:27:09
the early going here the reception to it has been really,
00:27:14
really phenomenal.
00:27:16
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean over the last couple of weeks, I think
00:27:19
it's I mean 50-50, I've been putting a lot of RX scripts
00:27:23
right into the lenses and you know I'm doing some RX inserts.
00:27:27
And if you don't mind, justin, I just kind of want to go over
00:27:29
some of the RX aspects a little bit.
00:27:31
You know I read on Facebook and clay shooting or something.
00:27:34
Somebody will say I need a pair of prescription glasses, what
00:27:37
do you recommend?
00:27:38
And I can barely look at that without like having a stroke
00:27:43
because it's like you're somebody asking.
00:27:45
You know, facebook, what the right answer is and it's the
00:27:49
answers just go all over.
00:27:50
But if I could just try to explain it a little bit better,
00:27:54
you know the 540 series, 580 series, what we did have and we
00:27:59
always say if you have a stronger RX, you know meaning
00:28:02
you know a thicker lens or that the 540 always worked the best
00:28:06
for a really strong RX.
00:28:07
And then the 580 is a little bigger lens and we you can.
00:28:11
You know it's a little harder to put a strong RX in there, but
00:28:15
you know it's, it's flatter, it's like it's a six base right
00:28:18
A 580.
00:28:21
Speaker 2: The 580 is a is a base frame.
00:28:27
We use six base lenses on it and compensate for it.
00:28:30
Speaker 4: Right.
00:28:31
And so you know the same thing goes like with RX inserts, like
00:28:35
even with the Raptor.
00:28:36
The nice thing about the Raptor RX insert compared to an outlaw
00:28:42
RX insert is that it uses an insert pretty similar to the X6
00:28:48
Panther post but it's flatter so we can put, you know, I'm
00:28:53
putting a minus seven and you know, stronger and feel
00:28:57
comfortable doing it in the left curvature Raptor insert than
00:29:03
the outlaw.
00:29:03
And even like when, you know, like I had a guy I did an outlaw
00:29:07
insert for and he says, dennis, like it's just not clear, and
00:29:10
I'm like, well, I know the lens is right on and I always say,
00:29:14
send me a picture of you looking through the lens.
00:29:15
Well, this gentleman had such a high nose bridge that he's
00:29:19
looking out the bottom of an outlaw and and he wasn't, you
00:29:22
know, centered up and that's where this Raptor really
00:29:26
accelerates.
00:29:27
You know we talk about both the Raptor 2 and the Velossa Raptor.
00:29:30
The Raptor 2 does have an adjustable nose bridge that you
00:29:35
know has three clicks.
00:29:35
You can move it up and down.
00:29:37
So when you are do have a prescription and depending if
00:29:40
you get into your gun hard or you have a more upright head, it
00:29:44
has some adjustability.
00:29:45
But this Velossa Raptor.
00:29:47
It actually has a stem sticking out the top of it and you have
00:29:52
so much up and down adjustability.
00:29:54
But I think for a trap shooter it really would would be.
00:29:58
You know something that's depending on how you get into
00:30:01
the gun.
00:30:02
That Velossa Raptor gives you that ability to center that that
00:30:06
lens to your eyes and that's what just makes it so important.
00:30:09
And you know the other thing the Raptor 2, compared to the
00:30:12
original Raptor, the vertex index, which means the distance
00:30:16
between your eyeball in the back of the lens, is a little
00:30:21
smaller, a little better, a little less light noise.
00:30:23
So, like you said, it's just.
00:30:27
You know we're doing a lot of Raptor business lately and it
00:30:30
just seems to be growing Now the geometry of the Raptor 2 sits
00:30:38
closer to your face than the original Raptor.
00:30:42
Speaker 2: So Dennis points out, you know, definitely a
00:30:44
performance benefit to the correctability of the product as
00:30:49
well.
00:30:51
Speaker 3: Oh nice, I didn't know it sat closer to your face.
00:30:54
Speaker 4: Yeah, and it just, you know, it, just, it just it's
00:30:59
very comfortable and the adjustability of it even, like
00:31:03
you know, you can adjust an outlaw X6, outlaw seven a little
00:31:06
bit with the you know pushing the nose, you know saddle around
00:31:10
and stuff.
00:31:11
The adjustability of the Raptor 2 and the Velociraptor is, to
00:31:17
me, the game changer, especially for shooters, when you people
00:31:20
don't realize that we're all different.
00:31:22
We all have different RX strengths.
00:31:24
There's certain certain RX strengths that work better in
00:31:29
this type of glass compared to somebody with a mild script, you
00:31:32
know.
00:31:32
So that's where I do a lot of that during the day just talking
00:31:38
to people and getting them into the right, right glasses
00:31:42
according to how strong their RX is is the best way for me to
00:31:45
put it.
00:31:45
But do we want to talk anything else about the Raptor?
00:31:49
Do you want to start into these seven new lenses, phil?
00:31:54
Speaker 2: No, I mean, I really believe that you know there's
00:31:57
there's, I think, a lot of product on the market that
00:32:02
pushes a traditional format.
00:32:05
And you know the nice thing about the Raptor 2 and the
00:32:09
Velociraptor we put a lot of thinking into the geometry of it
00:32:13
and we really feel that we've we've landed on a product that
00:32:20
has the latitude to accommodate such a wide range of need, and
00:32:28
that's one of the things that's quite exciting about this
00:32:30
particular product.
00:32:32
And you know, as we, as we move forward, we're adding additional
00:32:39
filter technology and in plano for it and certainly the temple
00:32:45
options will become more prolific.
00:32:48
But in terms of out of the gate competitively on the market, I
00:32:54
feel that we've come up with the highest quality, most
00:32:58
adjustable product on the market that you know really will, will
00:33:04
stand up to any shooter's needs .
00:33:07
And the one thing about the Velociraptor that is coming is
00:33:13
we have a replacement nosepiece for the Velociraptor that will
00:33:20
allow for the stem, as Dennis put it, to be replaced with a
00:33:26
fully corrective insert for the Velociraptor as well.
00:33:29
So that's that's coming and quite an exciting development on
00:33:34
the backside of what we've introduced thus far.
00:33:37
The Raptor 2 uses the insert methodology that Dennis
00:33:43
mentioned, and then both models use fully correctable lenses as
00:33:48
well without the insert system.
00:33:49
So any any approach we can, we can definitely facilitate.
00:33:57
Speaker 4: And just to reiterate , if you have a stronger script
00:34:00
and you want to go with an insert, I definitely would say
00:34:04
go with a Raptor over you know an X6 or seven, because it's
00:34:11
just a flatter insert and it just accommodates those stronger
00:34:15
scripts better.
00:34:16
Speaker 3: Gotcha what I'm interested about.
00:34:20
I might try some of those, dennis, I hadn't.
00:34:22
I think I've seen those, the new ones.
00:34:24
I know I've seen the older ones , but I want to see the new ones
00:34:26
especially closer to your face.
00:34:30
Speaker 4: I'll send you a pair tonight.
00:34:31
You just got to tell me whether you want, like, copper frames
00:34:34
or if you want edge frames button.
00:34:36
I'll just send you some down and just text me what kind of
00:34:39
lenses you know.
00:34:40
Maybe let's just set you up for stuff to drive in for now.
00:34:43
Okay, I mean I still have your credit card, so it's okay, trust
00:34:54
me.
00:34:55
Speaker 3: I know you will.
00:34:55
I want you to start talking about what's going to be.
00:34:59
My favorite one is the 12.
00:35:01
I don't know what you?
00:35:03
Yeah, that's a good place to start right.
00:35:04
Speaker 4: Let's start with a the new 12 blueberry Phil.
00:35:09
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I mean from from my perspective we
00:35:14
always come from a different point of view to Create a new
00:35:20
science for the year that we feel Is better than the last.
00:35:26
And you know, as we mentioned on multiple occasions Having the
00:35:30
opportunity to talk with you, we're we're an engineering-based
00:35:35
company.
00:35:35
It's all about the engineering, technology and the design of
00:35:41
what we do for performance and Cosmetic, all that other kind of
00:35:47
stuff, even though we were just talking about the raptor being
00:35:50
Cosmetically pleasing.
00:35:51
At the end of the day, the only thing that cuts the mustard for
00:35:54
me is doesn't work.
00:35:56
And and that's that's the ruler and this year we we did a lot
00:36:02
of homework on when were there holes in our lineup that we
00:36:09
could fill with brand-new thinking, where in years past,
00:36:13
we might have introduced something that was incremental
00:36:16
to a previous generation or whatnot.
00:36:18
And this year we really tried to focus on how we could take
00:36:23
Holes and introduce not only a solution for that but also marry
00:36:28
it with some new technology that we've brought to the table.
00:36:30
So this year we've we've introduced seven new filters for
00:36:35
this year's lineup.
00:36:37
Last year we had six new filters and the first one, at
00:36:43
the highest light value and lowest transmittance, is our 12%
00:36:49
lens and We've had a ton of people go my god, the 19 CIN is
00:36:55
just an absolutely phenomenal neutralization lens.
00:36:59
Can you do something darker?
00:37:01
And the interesting thing about doing darker, it's not just
00:37:05
make it darker.
00:37:06
You've got to really work on manipulating the filtration
00:37:10
science so that you don't lose the hallmark of our product in
00:37:15
terms of depth of field, level of clarity, enhancing visual
00:37:20
acuity, all the things that go into making a lens perform.
00:37:24
The darker that you get a lens, the downfall of it.
00:37:29
If it's not articulated properly, you really do lose
00:37:32
depth of field.
00:37:33
So this particular lens, as do all seven of our new lenses we
00:37:38
introduced this year and benefit from a new pigment and
00:37:43
filtration science that we call spa, which is a spectral pigment
00:37:47
accelerator.
00:37:48
And what that means in layman's terms is if any of you've ever
00:37:53
played with your iPhone and you start manipulating or editing a
00:37:58
photograph and you start dialing up all those little dials that
00:38:03
Apple allows you to do to make color more vivid or intense or
00:38:08
Put more contrast into the picture and those kinds of
00:38:11
things, and all of a sudden everything really starts getting
00:38:14
dimensioned to it.
00:38:15
That's the same level of a detail that's going into the new
00:38:19
technology that we've put in to manipulate the way that the eye
00:38:23
sees color, and the 12 blueberry lens.
00:38:27
We call it a blueberry lens because it has a level of purple
00:38:30
and blue to the lens that really allowed us to get great
00:38:36
depth of field and really kick back that green background and
00:38:40
relax the eye in what we would call direct sun, so sun coming
00:38:45
right at you.
00:38:46
And the new the new lens has been out there, I think three
00:38:51
weeks and the feedback has been phenomenal.
00:38:54
And it doesn't really matter what market we've been in.
00:38:57
The reality is the lens is performing absolutely
00:39:02
phenomenally and it is.
00:39:04
The feedback is wow, this lens is a darker 19, but it's really
00:39:09
vivid To a larger extent and that's really the technology.
00:39:13
That's that's in the lens.
00:39:15
But we really spent a lot of time because we had so many
00:39:18
people saying God, we really want a full sun Direct in your
00:39:24
face.
00:39:25
Purple neutralizer when I'm shooting against those green
00:39:27
backgrounds it still allows us to jack the target.
00:39:30
So that blueberry lens was the darkest filtration that we've
00:39:36
put out this year At the 12 percent level.
00:39:40
But that particular lens takes the spa technology, the spectral
00:39:44
pigment accelerator, which is basically infused into the lens
00:39:48
and then still borrows from all of the other Previous technology
00:39:52
that we built on last year, which was a runaway success for
00:39:55
us, which was the infrared and ice technology that is on the
00:40:00
lens as well, so that Still benefits from the ease of
00:40:05
cleaning of the lens, the hydrophobic nature of the
00:40:08
exterior of the lens, the Hydrophilic nature of the inside
00:40:11
of the lens in terms of spreading moisture to help
00:40:14
retard fogging on the backside of the lens, and then, in
00:40:18
working in concert with the pigment accelerators, is our
00:40:21
Infrared to just make everything that much more vibrant and
00:40:25
vivid when you're looking through the lens.
00:40:27
So the 12th blueberry is definitely a hit right out of
00:40:32
the gate and and really fill the need in our neutralization
00:40:37
family, which is our CIN Family, which is, you know, stands for
00:40:40
chroma shifts, infrared neutralizer, the.
00:40:43
The lens family now really, I think, has a real good breath to
00:40:47
it in terms of the 12, the 19, the 40 CN, the 52 CIN and then
00:40:53
up to the 65 CIM, and which also has, you know, a neutralization
00:40:57
filter bent to it as well.
00:40:58
So we have a whole suite of this base filtration idea from
00:41:05
now direct Sun all the way down to a diminishing light situation
00:41:10
.
00:41:10
So that was a great addition for us and filled a real need
00:41:16
for a lot of our customer base around the world.
00:41:20
Speaker 4: Wow, I agree.
00:41:21
I think that you know we can see.
00:41:24
You know, as far as our sales go, I Do.
00:41:28
You think I have enough of them for right now.
00:41:29
Filler, do you think I should order some more?
00:41:34
Speaker 2: If I had them, I'd give them to you.
00:41:36
Speaker 4: Yeah, no, I, I tried to jump in front of that because
00:41:40
I knew you would run out of them.
00:41:41
But, yeah, no, I, I, I.
00:41:43
I can't believe how strong that the 19 has become, and that's
00:41:47
just because of you know the way .
00:41:49
Yeah, it's a neutralizer, but it really started to perform, as
00:41:53
far as you know.
00:41:54
Seeing the target better and the 12, just you know, takes
00:41:57
that to another level.
00:41:58
So the next lens probably would be the, the passion fruit.
00:42:05
Speaker 2: Yeah, the passion fruit lenses is is is another
00:42:07
one where you know it seems like We've we've done a really good
00:42:13
job trying to find what our customers have been asking for
00:42:17
this this year.
00:42:21
Speaker 4: You know I've been asking for this lens for three
00:42:23
years, so right yeah this is true.
00:42:25
Speaker 2: This is true, the, the CI HP, which is the chroma
00:42:30
shift, infrared high contrast the.
00:42:35
The reality is we call this a passion fruit lens so that it
00:42:38
really had more of a specific target for us in terms of the
00:42:41
nomenclature and you know everyone, you know comments on
00:42:48
the names that we put on these lenses and we found it to be
00:42:51
like really very Interactive with our customer base and
00:42:54
shooters around the world because they kind of key in on.
00:42:56
It's much easier for someone to say, hey, send me the blueberry
00:42:59
lens than the 12 CI BB lens, where it becomes a little bit
00:43:03
more intense in terms of under, you know, remembering the
00:43:06
numbers and the letters and all that kind of stuff.
00:43:07
So the, the fruit lenses, we've always come from the
00:43:13
perspective that the, the lens is a healthy addition to what
00:43:19
the eye can perform In its sort of native state, where we put a
00:43:24
manipulative lens in front of your eye and then all of a
00:43:28
sudden We've really had a healthy impact not only on your
00:43:31
vision but the aptitude of what you can do from a performance
00:43:34
standpoint in the chosen sport, certainly in firearms sports.
00:43:40
So the, the fruits have really done well for us and we just
00:43:45
continue to use fruit based nomenclature, along with the
00:43:49
scientific base of the transmittance level being the
00:43:52
number and then the, the act.
00:43:56
You know, the the letters that we use for each one of the
00:43:59
acronyms for what we put in terms of the technology.
00:44:04
But the passion fruit is is probably, you know, one of those
00:44:08
, those families of lenses over the last ten years that we just
00:44:12
have had an enormous amount of success with and we've changed
00:44:16
Things like, for example, when I said that these lenses are
00:44:19
completely different, they're filling holes in in the past.
00:44:23
We've taken this particular filtration family and we've
00:44:25
tweaked it a little bit, change the transmittance level a little
00:44:28
bit.
00:44:28
Where we had a 50 RHC that we turned into a 47 CI HP HC and
00:44:36
and that was a benefit to that particular filter at that
00:44:42
transmittance value.
00:44:43
This particular filter really fits in between our 15 CI HC,
00:44:49
which this past year the introduction of that lens as an
00:44:54
infrared ice lens was one of our top five lenses and the 47 CI
00:45:01
HC.
00:45:01
That particular lens has been, I would say, one of our top six
00:45:07
lenses of all time and the ability for us to now articulate
00:45:13
a new filter that's not a full sun or a medium light lens, we
00:45:18
call this a mid-light lens, and the Mid-light lens is sort of
00:45:24
when you have yellow light out there but you have a lot of
00:45:27
puffy clouds where it's actually cutting down on the overall
00:45:31
amount of light reaching your eye.
00:45:32
So it's not a really bright bright situation, but it's
00:45:37
between what we would say medium light, where you might have
00:45:41
gray overcast or that kind of thing.
00:45:43
This is in between that and to get the performance to Step into
00:45:49
its own, we had to rearticulate the, the filter, and when we
00:45:54
say that, what we're doing is pretend we're playing with in
00:45:59
the old days.
00:45:59
You have the equalizers for your boom box or your radios or
00:46:03
whatnot, and you're always dialing up the treble, the base.
00:46:05
This is the same kind of thing that we do with the color
00:46:09
spectrum and what is the visual color spectrum?
00:46:12
We keep sliding up and down the EQ to be able to push and
00:46:17
Diminish different values across the light spectrum within the
00:46:22
filter, to tune it, and it's a very iterative Process where we
00:46:27
go through with Zeiss and all their engineers.
00:46:29
You can bench test everything all day long.
00:46:31
And it's supposed to be X, but you get it and you infuse it
00:46:36
into the lens and it has a different characteristic when it
00:46:38
actually gets into the lens.
00:46:41
This one, we went through a bunch of iterations on it and
00:46:44
then we finally found this really nice sweet spot that
00:46:49
ended up 50% of the value of the 47 and the 15 and it's just a
00:46:56
really super All-around high contrast lens and it's one of
00:47:01
those that if you had one to pull out of your bag which I
00:47:05
certainly don't endorse, but if you had that go-to lens, this
00:47:10
would be one that just has really great detail and nice
00:47:14
target intensity and Really fits that all-around kind of
00:47:19
condition.
00:47:20
So I'm really excited about this particular lens because the
00:47:24
success we had with the 15 and the 47 and this just gives us a
00:47:29
whole new Sort of dimension where we're not over cranking a
00:47:33
lot of target orange.
00:47:34
It's just a really nice pleasant lens In that mid-light
00:47:38
condition.
00:47:39
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean for me, as far as all these new lenses,
00:47:43
I mean it falls into my wheelhouse because, like you
00:47:45
said earlier that 47, it's just been our workhorse, probably one
00:47:49
of the most popular lenses that we've.
00:47:51
We sold more of that lens than you know a lot of Other lenses
00:47:55
you know.
00:47:55
It's just so popular and and and guys like I talk about guys
00:47:59
you know notoriously being red, deficient and things like that
00:48:03
and for me the 47 Just really accelerates orange and now I put
00:48:07
on this 31 and the way I'm wired and the way my rods and
00:48:10
cones are, it just it's, it's.
00:48:12
It's like you said, it's unexplainable.
00:48:15
It really works for me because I'm a 47 shooter and now this 31
00:48:20
it just gives me that in a bright, sunny day up on the berm
00:48:24
at Northbrook is is a go-to lens I can see for me.
00:48:27
Speaker 2: I'm quite happy with this one.
00:48:29
It rounds out the family for that particular type of filter
00:48:33
for sure.
00:48:33
Speaker 4: All right, real quick , let's go to 35 fig, yeah, and
00:48:39
what the differences and the similarities and what your
00:48:42
thought process is behind that?
00:48:43
Well, but one of the things that I do have the benefit of is
00:48:46
.
00:48:47
Speaker 2: My 87 year old father is is still right there working
00:48:51
15 feet from me and Of the Italian descent.
00:48:55
We all are obviously manufacturing all of our product
00:49:00
in Italy.
00:49:00
We have an affinity for figs and we were looking for a fruit
00:49:06
for this particular lens and we're like, oh, this is, this is
00:49:10
a great lens, to to name the fit big when originally on our
00:49:18
design platform it was supposed to be the 35 CIN.
00:49:21
And this is another one of those where we've had an An
00:49:25
enormous amount of inbound request from our shooters that
00:49:30
they wanted something in between , kind of a sweet spot of the 19
00:49:35
and then the 40 CIN being a slightly different type of
00:49:41
technology that uses a Previous generation of our technology,
00:49:49
but still the 40 CIN, you know, has the IR ice type backbone but
00:49:56
it's got a much different exterior, robust, I would say,
00:50:03
coating technology on it.
00:50:05
Then our 52 and our 19 that are pure IR ice coated technologies
00:50:11
.
00:50:11
But we had tons of inbound where they said again we want
00:50:16
something that's not so much in the full sun or or medium gray
00:50:21
light area.
00:50:22
Can we get something that is in this mid-light area?
00:50:24
And the 35 CIN was the original design and we wanted to name it
00:50:31
something very different because it really Does have a
00:50:35
very different introduction.
00:50:36
To get it to perform very Well, we added more red into it and
00:50:43
we actually blended the cherry filters that we have and some of
00:50:47
our most successful lenses, like our raspberry or our 36
00:50:52
CPOM lens.
00:50:54
We blended in this cherry base along with the purple Esk filter
00:51:00
of our normal CIN spectral curve and we got this
00:51:05
wonderfully blended lens that we call the fig and and because it
00:51:11
has this introduction of more of a red nod to it with this
00:51:16
cherry in it, we didn't want to continue with it being kind of
00:51:22
the same platform as our other neutralizer lenses, so we called
00:51:26
it the fig lens, which is why we call it 35 CIA.
00:51:29
This was one of the first lenses that we actually
00:51:33
articulated in.
00:51:33
The A was an accelerator before we started playing around with
00:51:39
some of the other nomenclature.
00:51:40
So the fig lens has this beautiful platform of a blended
00:51:46
science now and this one just turned out, in my opinion, one
00:51:50
of my favorite that we've introduced in the last couple
00:51:54
years.
00:51:54
It's just a really cool technology, has the base of the
00:51:58
neutralization, but it has this really vibrant, vivid picture
00:52:04
with it.
00:52:04
It almost is the difference between when I go from, you know
00:52:09
, a standard 1080p iTV to a 4k TV.
00:52:13
It's just that much of a change .
00:52:16
So I'm quite excited about this, this lens and the couple of
00:52:21
events we've had it at the dealers that have been out there
00:52:24
with it sold out of what they had on this particular lens,
00:52:28
because I think it's one of those that immediately when you
00:52:30
try it on you're like, wow, this is really great.
00:52:32
So I was really really happy with this because, you know, we
00:52:37
started out with the design study.
00:52:38
Let's see if we can peg something again in between these
00:52:41
two lenses, that we have this whole.
00:52:43
And again, we benefit very, very well from the relationship
00:52:51
we have as an exclusive provider with Zeiss.
00:52:53
The Zeiss engineering team is just a phenomenal group of
00:52:58
scientists that really get what we do and they're quite
00:53:02
collaborative and pushing really what the technology is capable
00:53:05
of doing.
00:53:05
So it was one of those things that we kind of like spilled two
00:53:10
glasses of, you know, vanilla and chocolate milk together, by
00:53:14
introducing the cherry and the in the purple filtration, and we
00:53:19
got a winner out of it.
00:53:20
So I was I was really excited about this one.
00:53:23
Speaker 4: You know what they call that, justin.
00:53:25
Right, it's called a hybrid.
00:53:28
You know, just like the hybrid move, you know it's a hybrid.
00:53:31
It's got a little bit of this little bit of swing through,
00:53:33
little bit sustained, little bit of.
00:53:35
You know, that's the hybrid lens there.
00:53:37
Yeah, all right, moving on, phil, what would we go to?
00:53:40
Are we gonna go to the guava?
00:53:42
Speaker 2: Yeah, the guava lens is actually a lens that falls
00:53:46
more into a specialty category, but you know there is a level of
00:53:50
red green deficiency and a very large proportion of the
00:53:54
population, especially men.
00:53:55
So this was one of those lens technologies that was a
00:54:00
must-have for us and the reason for it is we introduced our red
00:54:03
green deficient lens technology in our CGR platform and all of
00:54:09
those who know our platform of CGR, which introduces
00:54:13
polarization to a lens that red green deficient lens technology
00:54:19
to pass the Zeiss standards for which they hold our product to
00:54:25
and that they will endorse, was only available in the CGR
00:54:30
platform, which is a basic lens which only fits, because of the
00:54:34
fixation technology we use in our outlaw platform, on an
00:54:38
outlaw X6.
00:54:39
We can't put that lens on a panther system, so that's why it
00:54:41
doesn't exist there.
00:54:42
So we only really had one product that we had this red
00:54:45
green deficiency technology that was available in.
00:54:50
So this year we really were committed because the success of
00:54:53
the red green deficient lenses has been phenomenal the RGHL and
00:54:57
the RGLL that's found in our CGR technology.
00:55:01
We've had customers on the phone being like I have never
00:55:06
seen like this, because I've never been able to see these
00:55:08
colors before and we had so many people inbound.
00:55:12
I have an outlaw X7, I've got a panther.
00:55:14
Why can't I have this particular type of technology?
00:55:17
So we spent the last year with Zeiss rearticulating this and
00:55:24
the spot technology allowed us to put this particular
00:55:27
filtration science into what I would say is a standard lens
00:55:32
geometry over outlaw X6 as well as our outlaw X7, which is
00:55:37
different than the CGR geometry of the lens.
00:55:40
Anyone who has a CGR lens will see that it's slightly different
00:55:43
than our standard X6 outlaw lens because of the specificity
00:55:47
of really what that needs to deliver from a technological
00:55:50
standpoint.
00:55:51
So this lens, the guava lens, comes in at a 39 transmittance,
00:55:56
which is halfway sort of again between the HL and the LL lens.
00:56:01
It's a great all-around technology for red green
00:56:05
deficient individuals and it really is one of those that take
00:56:09
that base technology that's already have proven technology
00:56:13
for us in the CGR platform of the red green deficient lenses
00:56:17
and puts it and infuses it into a standard delivery for us on
00:56:21
the two most popular platforms that we produce, which is the
00:56:26
outlaw six and the outlaw seven.
00:56:27
Funny enough, the articulation of the filter in it is really a
00:56:33
super delivery for people who are not red green deficient as
00:56:37
well, but it's just got a really nice crisp the delivery but
00:56:43
really articulated in terms of the science in it for red, green
00:56:46
deficient individuals, where we're again playing with the EQ
00:56:50
to really dial in the lens for that particular need.
00:56:53
So this is, this is one that brand new delivery, full
00:56:58
18-wheeler size hole in our lineup to be able to address
00:57:02
this and it's one of those that you know clearly is a what I
00:57:06
would call light bulb lens for a lot of people who have this
00:57:09
particular need, because they immediately put this on and, man
00:57:12
, they can see some targets.
00:57:14
And that's just really a great thing to hear from our customers
00:57:17
when they call us back and say, listen, this lens is really
00:57:19
helping me out because I've never been able to see anything
00:57:21
before, and that's that's really where this lens came from for
00:57:25
us this year.
00:57:26
So we call it the guava lens for obvious reasons, because of
00:57:30
what the fruit looks like, and you'll notice that the fruits
00:57:33
that we use are directly correlated to you know really
00:57:37
what the lens looks like and what the ultimate delivery of
00:57:40
what we're trying to do in terms of the colorization.
00:57:42
But this one I'm super excited about because we just I felt so
00:57:47
bad for a lot of our customers calling in why can't I get this
00:57:51
technology in what I have?
00:57:53
So we did our homework and I have to say high props to the
00:57:58
Zeiss team because they came through with this particular
00:58:01
technology that we didn't think we were able to deliver because
00:58:06
it was firmly rooted in the CGR platform, but now we have it in
00:58:11
in our standard delivery, which is which is great.
00:58:15
Speaker 4: I, I sold a lot of RGHL's and RGLL's filled, you
00:58:21
know, and I haven't had, not, I've not had one customer like
00:58:27
say yeah, no, just hasn't performed, or say they want,
00:58:30
they want to, you know, give it back.
00:58:31
I mean, that's so.
00:58:33
Knowing that, that technology now in those lenses and in the
00:58:37
success that I've had selling those lenses, and now being able
00:58:40
to sell it to people with X7 and being on the phone all day
00:58:44
and knowing how many people are red, green, deficient, I'm very
00:58:48
excited about that lens and, like you said, it's gonna, it's
00:58:51
gonna help a lot of guys out and I'm looking forward to that now
00:58:56
.
00:58:56
Now.
00:58:57
Now we can just go right.
00:58:58
We're seeing that we're talking red, green, let's talk green.
00:59:02
You know our success, you know, with the 92 CAL and even like
00:59:07
the 92 CAL, a lot of times people don't realize that our
00:59:11
progressive line was actually the start of the 92 CAL because
00:59:16
of and you know they're very similar as far as light
00:59:19
transmissions and things like that.
00:59:21
But we had of, you know, a medium green before.
00:59:26
But here this lens, here it I can definitely tell it's
00:59:30
different.
00:59:31
Speaker 2: Maybe explain it yeah , one of the things that we
00:59:35
learned from the 92 CAL and the 92 CAL is is one of our top
00:59:41
three lenses.
00:59:42
I mean, it's just one of those lenses that just works for 95%
00:59:48
of the population out there that shoots that's looking for a
00:59:51
real low light and flat light type lens.
00:59:55
So you know, the the issue was again this kind of echoed over
01:00:02
and over again.
01:00:03
This was kind of the year that we listened to really what our
01:00:06
customers were looking for to fill these holes that we had in
01:00:11
our lineup and, as Dennis mentioned, we had a medium green
01:00:15
lens before.
01:00:16
But basically what we did in that particular iteration was we
01:00:20
just basically, you know, dialed up the transmittance
01:00:24
value by reducing it so that you had a darker version, and that
01:00:29
really is much different than what we've come up with now,
01:00:35
which we use the spectral pigment accelerators in this
01:00:39
Kiwi fruit lens, and the Kiwi lens is one of those that I've
01:00:44
put on people that don't even shoot and they look through this
01:00:47
thing like damn, everything so crisp.
01:00:52
It's just one of those lenses that we have articulated where
01:00:55
we've dialed in the way that you see color and the medium
01:00:59
lighting condition and and you kind of got to get away from the
01:01:03
fact that it's just in this green family.
01:01:06
You have to kind of take a look at it from a different
01:01:08
perspective, because the way that I like to look at this lens
01:01:10
is, if you're shooting in green , gray light and you're looking
01:01:15
for something that's really going to facilitate crystal
01:01:19
clear, sharp clarity, this particular lens does an amazing
01:01:25
job doing that.
01:01:26
This is not a lens that I would say is a lens that you're going
01:01:32
to say bang, look at that orange target.
01:01:35
It looks like someone just put, you know, a light switch on it.
01:01:37
It's.
01:01:38
It's not one of those lenses where we're accelerating color
01:01:42
to the point where we're trying to make it vibrate in a specific
01:01:46
wavelength, meaning like target orange.
01:01:49
This is one of those lenses that not only helps in that with the
01:01:53
spectral accelerators that we're using now, meaning the way
01:01:56
that we're manipulating color but it's just one of those
01:01:59
lenses that's dialed in to give vivid, crisp edges to what
01:02:05
you're looking at, and I just think that this is one of those
01:02:08
that is just going to be a runaway winner for us today,
01:02:11
because the 92 CIL, like I said, is one of our top three lenses,
01:02:16
but this particular lens is just a great flat gray light
01:02:23
lens that just dials in detail.
01:02:26
So this one I'm really excited about, as all the lenses that
01:02:32
we've discussed before, they all use our seven layer
01:02:35
anti-reflective technology, so you don't get any light
01:02:37
dispersion off the back of the lens, which further enhances the
01:02:41
value of this particular filters design.
01:02:43
So all around the kiwi fruit bam I'm I'm jacked about this
01:02:50
particular lens because it is it is crystal clear and it's just
01:02:53
one of those tight lenses that just makes everything sharp.
01:02:58
Speaker 4: Justin yeah did you try it on?
01:03:00
Oh yeah, I try everything well, what did you think when you put
01:03:04
it on I?
01:03:05
Speaker 3: like them all.
01:03:06
I mean, you know, the problem is I got, I have so many, I just
01:03:08
can't decide which ones I'm gonna use.
01:03:10
Speaker 4: So if yeah, you know, I just I change them out about
01:03:13
one server station no, I know and, like I said, all that
01:03:17
little stuff helps you from station to station and and you
01:03:20
need that.
01:03:21
But anyway, you know the thing about the this, this lens to.
01:03:27
That I just wanted to mention when you look at it, when you
01:03:29
feel you're talking about that medium gray light and you know,
01:03:33
like, for instance, desert shooting or even winter shooting
01:03:38
in the Midwest or New England or wherever of West Coast, with
01:03:44
even in like California with the brown grasses and things like
01:03:49
that, I just think that this here I mean I got a lot of trap
01:03:53
shooters in California that they're telling me that their
01:03:56
clubs are going with green targets and these things are
01:03:59
flying out the door to those guys.
01:04:02
And so I think, for green targets and that flat gray light
01:04:06
, like you said, just to get that clear, vivid, crisp image,
01:04:11
this lens is gonna, you know, take off.
01:04:13
And one other thing that I just want to mention too I think
01:04:16
when it comes to pigeons in a lot you know we have a lot of
01:04:19
pigeon shooters that listen to this I really feel that this
01:04:23
lens here for pigeon shooters is is a must yeah it's, it's one
01:04:31
of those that just as you put it on and just stuff, just dials
01:04:35
up the detail.
01:04:36
Speaker 2: So I'm completely excited about this one.
01:04:40
It was a different design study and I know I give high props to
01:04:45
the Zeiss team, but you know, this year we just have had a
01:04:51
really great fortune to introduce the new, the new
01:04:56
pigment technology in the way that we're moving color, and
01:04:59
this one is just bang spot on detailed let me ask you this
01:05:06
real quick, phil.
01:05:06
Speaker 4: You know we talk about most.
01:05:07
You know, like you know, three, four out of ten guys are due in
01:05:12
colorblind, which means they're red green deficient.
01:05:14
I just wonder what this green lens with with those, you know,
01:05:19
people that are the red green deficient.
01:05:21
How that, how would how they'd perceive it?
01:05:24
Speaker 2: you know it'd be interesting yeah, I think what
01:05:27
you're gonna find is gonna add more detail.
01:05:29
I don't know if you know the way that this particular design
01:05:33
of lenses done, if it's really going to dial up the affinity
01:05:39
for their deficiency, but you know, I think that what you will
01:05:45
find, what someone is red, green, deficient you will find a
01:05:49
higher level of detail and visual acuity using the lens for
01:05:54
sure that's where.
01:05:56
Speaker 4: That's where I think you know these good pigeon
01:05:57
shooters, you know they look for the eyes of the pigeon, and I
01:06:00
just think that you know, especially with gray pigeons,
01:06:02
that this, this lens, will be a winner.
01:06:04
Well, let's, let's move on to our the golden berry.
01:06:08
I've heard about the golden berry for a year now and I know
01:06:11
we've always had, you know, pila's.
01:06:13
You know success started off with with our amber lenses and
01:06:18
you know that's what you started with.
01:06:20
And we've had low light transmission eds before.
01:06:24
But maybe just take a minute here and explain what makes this
01:06:29
so special as a low light ed yeah, I mean the golden berry
01:06:33
lens I'm gonna call our pro lens .
01:06:36
Speaker 2: You know that type of thinking because you have a lot
01:06:38
of pros out there that like a really balanced lens, which has
01:06:41
always been the success of the ed family of lenses, where we're
01:06:45
kind of buoying and raising the whole value of of the color
01:06:49
spectrum so that there's more intensity in a more balanced
01:06:54
fashion where we're not overdoing one piece of the
01:06:57
spectrum versus another to achieve a color manipulative
01:07:01
state that is, on one side or the other either more orange,
01:07:06
less orange, kickback, the green background, that kind of thing.
01:07:08
The reason I'm calling it a pro lenses because you know you
01:07:12
talk to a lot of pros about really seeing the bird and the
01:07:16
detail and not having an affinity for just the target
01:07:21
color but the target in totality where you want to see the
01:07:25
dimples, the edges, all like you know sort of detail and this
01:07:30
particular lens.
01:07:32
As Dennis mentioned, we've done other high transmittance value
01:07:36
ed lenses.
01:07:37
But as you get to a higher level of transmittance value the
01:07:43
utility of the pigments performance becomes less because
01:07:48
you have less to work with.
01:07:49
When we introduce the spectral pigment accelerator technology
01:07:55
that we're infusing in the lenses now, the combination of
01:07:59
that with the ice, ir coating technology is really given birth
01:08:04
to a lens that I think is just one of the best ed lenses we've
01:08:07
ever done.
01:08:07
And this lens is going to be phenomenal for not only you know
01:08:13
, you know sporting ski.
01:08:16
This is also going to be a really good lens for all your
01:08:20
you know tactical type shooting, whether it's IPSE, ipda, any of
01:08:24
those particular types of disciplines, and even you know
01:08:27
out in the field.
01:08:28
So this particular lens really just benefits from you know, 30
01:08:32
years of doing this particular you know type of lens.
01:08:38
But you know we've always had the benefit of of increasing the
01:08:43
technical performance of the materials and technology we're
01:08:47
using, and this one definitely benefits from the introduction
01:08:51
of the new way that we're using pigments and the pigment
01:08:55
accelerator in the lens.
01:08:56
So I Can't say enough about this one.
01:09:00
This one, you know, for me is is one of those that I can just
01:09:04
Guarantee that, across the board , every top shooter out there is
01:09:10
going to just want this particular lens because it's
01:09:12
just that that balanced in, that critically accurate in terms of
01:09:18
producing a sight picture that has a Level of detail that we
01:09:21
haven't really ever been able to produce at this transmittance
01:09:25
value with this type of lens Design.
01:09:29
I.
01:09:31
Speaker 4: Even think like for hunting and things like that too
01:09:33
.
01:09:33
Just that balance approach and I sent one to.
01:09:36
Zach, justin.
01:09:36
So I'm, you know and you know Zach, you know even Zach, you
01:09:41
know Brandon, those guys, you know Anthony, they all look, you
01:09:44
know, love their Ed's and I'm curious what the what's that
01:09:50
things I sent sent him one before I sent it to you.
01:09:55
Speaker 3: Trust me, I know, I know he's already, he takes me
01:09:58
and I was to brag or what he's got, and so you know what
01:10:03
happened yeah.
01:10:05
Speaker 4: Right, well, we got one lens left.
01:10:07
Let's not jump into it.
01:10:09
So you know, for a while there.
01:10:11
You know that 70pwc was just, you know, a workhorse it I had a
01:10:15
lot of guys that use it for nighttime, you know, under the
01:10:18
lights shooting, and we discontinued it.
01:10:21
But what replaced it, phil?
01:10:25
Speaker 2: the 69 blush peach is what we're calling this lens,
01:10:29
and the 70pwc is, you know, one of our Top 10 selling lenses of
01:10:35
all time, you know.
01:10:36
I mean it's definitely one of those lenses that has a really
01:10:39
strong following.
01:10:40
The difference here is, with the new pigment accelerators
01:10:44
that we're using, we've introduced a Level of detail
01:10:50
that you know we just talked about in the goldenberry lens,
01:10:55
but this particular lens is a little different because we've
01:10:58
now bled in a little bit more red to this particular lens,
01:11:02
hence why we're calling it a blush lens.
01:11:04
It's really got that little splash of red with the
01:11:11
Articulation of the peach spectral curve that we've had so
01:11:14
much success with, and it is even present in the 55pwc, which
01:11:20
the 55pwc you know.
01:11:22
We're going and running that out now with a new, darker blush
01:11:30
peach coming later in the year Not sure whether it's going to
01:11:35
arrive late fall or whether it'll be a 25 lens, but the
01:11:39
peach lenses have Always been a really widely accepted lens with
01:11:47
a lot of enthusiasm, and we wanted to again Introduce an
01:11:53
improvement and I know this is kind of like goes against the
01:11:56
grain of the first six lenses we were talking about, because I
01:11:59
was saying, hey, this is like completely new holes that we
01:12:03
filled and this is kind of again a little bit of a Departure
01:12:07
from that because it is an enhanced lens technology that we
01:12:10
previously had in the 70pwc.
01:12:11
But I believe that this is a much different approach because
01:12:16
now we're able to isolate With more criticality very specific
01:12:23
pieces of the visual spectrum that we have really been Not
01:12:29
able to do at this high level of transmittance value and
01:12:32
introduce a little bit more red to this in blending what we had
01:12:37
with the 70pwc.
01:12:39
So it's got a Little bit more of a ruby red Influence in there
01:12:45
that we've blended in and it just gives that much more sort
01:12:48
of detail at that high transmittance value.
01:12:51
So I think that this is a drastic improvement to the
01:12:58
delivery of this particular type of family of lenses that we've
01:13:01
had for the peach technology and that's really what the design
01:13:06
study was for.
01:13:07
This is, how do we improve that lens?
01:13:08
Because it was such a wild success to date and you know
01:13:12
we're never really, you know, satisfied with the level of
01:13:15
performance.
01:13:16
We certainly get extremely enthusiastic about what we're
01:13:19
delivering, but soon as we deliver it we're like man, how
01:13:22
do we do better than that?
01:13:23
Which is just the mentality of what we, we, we attempt to do on
01:13:27
a On a, you know, ongoing basis , and I think, really, what our
01:13:30
custom-made base is constantly looking for for us to do is
01:13:34
continually outdo ourselves.
01:13:35
So, from an engineering perspective, you know that's
01:13:40
really.
01:13:40
You know, what makes us get up every day is to continually try
01:13:43
and push the envelope, and this is definitely a direct result of
01:13:47
that particular mentality of improving on one of our
01:13:50
best-selling lenses.
01:13:52
Speaker 4: You know, on the 55pwc, fill in the 70pwc.
01:13:56
Those were always lenses that Still worked well with green
01:14:00
targets.
01:14:00
What would you say about Greens , especially even with the new
01:14:05
Bush peach?
01:14:07
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I think that the, the level of Green
01:14:11
targets that you see being thrown, the, the level of of
01:14:18
dial on this particular product.
01:14:21
Here the filtration curve is definitely going to help with
01:14:25
that particular you know type of target.
01:14:28
And you know we, we, if you take a look at you know there's
01:14:32
a ton of green targets that are actually thrown in Europe and
01:14:36
the the reality is, if you look at the peach lenses, they've
01:14:38
always done well in that particular type of setting.
01:14:41
So, yeah, this, this will definitely work even better
01:14:45
because of the blend of the red Introduction along with the same
01:14:49
spectral curve that we had in the pwc.
01:14:51
So, you know, you know you'll get a little bit more pop in
01:14:55
that particular sort of awareness.
01:14:56
But that really is going to happen more with the contrast
01:15:00
that you're getting in this particular lens.
01:15:01
Even though we don't like push this as a high contrast lens,
01:15:05
there's still going to benefit from some of that level of
01:15:08
contrast that's coming along with this lens.
01:15:12
Speaker 4: Well, you know, I know that, you know, I know,
01:15:15
like you know, we talk often and I know that you know, with all
01:15:19
the pricing and things like that and and this technology,
01:15:21
everything in the Euro and things like that, the price of
01:15:24
the product and everything, and I appreciate you always trying
01:15:28
to, you know, keep the prices as best you can and and that's
01:15:30
probably my heart to sell us.
01:15:32
Just, you know, and people trying to understand that that
01:15:35
yeah, it's not, it's not an everyday glass here, but we're
01:15:38
really, you know, technically trying to push the envelope
01:15:41
always and make and have the best product out there, and that
01:15:44
you know that I'm proud that you do that every day.
01:15:47
Speaker 2: Well, I appreciate that.
01:15:48
You know, we believe that we're delivering a product for
01:15:53
performance and, you know, at the end of the day, I don't make
01:15:58
any excuses for what it takes to do that and we're proud to
01:16:03
put out that particular product.
01:16:05
And, you know, from, from my perspective, this particular
01:16:09
group of lenses that we've put out last year was, was great.
01:16:11
This particular set of lenses for 24, I feel like our
01:16:19
Beautiful complement to what we've already put out.
01:16:21
So in the last, let's just say, 18 to 24 months.
01:16:23
So it really starting to round out what we're doing in terms of
01:16:29
the complete offering.
01:16:30
We'll never get to the complete offering because there always
01:16:35
will be another opportunity to increase performance and deliver
01:16:39
something special that we haven't delivered yet.
01:16:42
Or, you know, we get a ton of inbound from our customers,
01:16:46
which we love is the collaborative process of not
01:16:48
only working with our professional shooters.
01:16:49
I really love to to to, you know, comment that I'm hugely,
01:17:00
you know, humbled by the fact that we have such an amazing
01:17:03
base of professionals that use our product around the world.
01:17:04
We don't use artificial intelligence to articulate
01:17:09
something that we think should be popped out as a widget.
01:17:12
We use human intelligence, and that human intelligence runs
01:17:17
really deep, from Olympians using our product to
01:17:22
professionals to use our product , to multi-world champions.
01:17:23
That Collaborative human intelligence that we put out for
01:17:27
our product, I think, is really what pays dividends, because
01:17:32
this is a super collaborative process.
01:17:33
We get a ton of feedback and certainly looking forward to the
01:17:36
next 12 months with consumers and our customers coming back
01:17:38
and saying, hey, listen, have you thought about you know doing
01:17:43
, you know a paintberry lens or whatever that they dream up,
01:17:49
that they think that they would love to have, and we'll go back
01:17:51
to our team at Zeiss and we'll dial up, you know, a new
01:17:53
platform For that.
01:17:56
So one of the things that I think really makes people a
01:18:00
different is we have this unbelievable sounding board that
01:18:01
gives, you know, us a reason and a design study to come out
01:18:09
with these kinds of technologies .
01:18:11
So this year we came out with seven, seven really exciting
01:18:13
lenses and you know we certainly appreciate everyone's you know
01:18:17
opportunity to try them out.
01:18:22
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know.
01:18:23
One last thing, justin, I just wanted to touch base on is, you
01:18:26
know, with all this technology, with with what's happening with
01:18:27
inflation and things like that, it's I get it that it's harder
01:18:29
and harder for people to understand.
01:18:30
I get it that it's harder and harder for a lot of people to
01:18:35
afford this.
01:18:36
And you know, the one opportunity that I have, you
01:18:40
know, is that you know Phil allowed me to.
01:18:43
I think I spent $70 in initially with with my blade
01:18:47
frame, and you know I wanted something rugged, lightweight,
01:18:51
functional, and you know it's made of surgical stainless steel
01:18:55
and, and so if you go to clay target vision, I can still offer
01:18:59
, you know, a customer, you know , a good price deal on a three
01:19:03
lens kit, only with the blade frame now.
01:19:06
But you know, I just want people to be aware.
01:19:08
You know, I think my daughter even has something out there if
01:19:10
you want to buy three of these new lenses, we will give you a
01:19:13
blade frame.
01:19:14
So, just understanding, it's harder and harder for people to
01:19:18
stay in the sport and and a way that you know, in a way, I kind
01:19:23
of feel like I'm undervaluing my product and something that Phil
01:19:26
always warns me about.
01:19:28
But you know, if I have to give up the profit of the blade
01:19:31
frame just to, you know, get more and more shooters and in
01:19:34
the Pula glasses, that's, that's my goal, you know, as as a
01:19:37
dealer, and I'm happy to do it and but still, you know, proud
01:19:41
to be a Pula dealer and try to reach a broader market.
01:19:45
You know, with our blade frame and, and and trying to give
01:19:48
those, you know, that value to the customer that really needs
01:19:51
it.
01:19:52
So nice by three Of the new lenses and you get some blades
01:19:59
yeah, so it's just stuff that we're trying to do and and and
01:20:04
you know we understand it's tough out there right now and
01:20:06
you know with inflation and things, but we we want everybody
01:20:10
to have an opportunity to have the best well, just so you, just
01:20:13
everyone listening, should already know the Pula product is
01:20:18
the In.
01:20:21
Speaker 3: I don't ever say something's the best, but I have
01:20:23
to say that Pula has Tackled the market and produces one of
01:20:28
the best products in the market or the best product in my
01:20:31
opinion.
01:20:31
I mean there's, so I can, I can.
01:20:33
There's somebody coming my office or the day, and so I had
01:20:36
some people, glasses lay in there, and they said what are
01:20:38
these?
01:20:38
I said they're shooting glasses and he puts them on.
01:20:40
He says wow, that's clear.
01:20:42
I mean that's the first thing he said, and if they are, I just
01:20:46
they're so clear I think I can see clear with them, then I can
01:20:50
without them.
01:20:51
Speaker 4: But and to tell you the truth, justin, I think a lot
01:20:54
of it is that seven coats of anti glare.
01:20:56
You know what I say.
01:20:57
When you put them on, it's calming, it, Quiet.
01:21:00
The light noise in, and, and would you agree with that, phil?
01:21:05
Speaker 2: Oh, 100%, 100%.
01:21:08
Speaker 4: You know so, and that's that, that's, you know,
01:21:11
like I said in, and that that's seven layer higher, high
01:21:14
performance.
01:21:15
You know, coating, you know, isn't cheap, but it it makes
01:21:19
that difference when you put it on, and what, why?
01:21:20
People just go, their eyes just start relaxing and, and you
01:21:24
know, it's a cut, it's cumulative.
01:21:26
I always liked your analogy, phil.
01:21:28
It's like you know, one year we put a cam in the engine, the
01:21:30
next year we put new heads on it , and then following year we put
01:21:33
a blower on it and we just keep it.
01:21:35
Speaker 3: We keep going, you know, and and that's exciting in
01:21:37
this industry, yeah, why do you wait so long to fix your car up
01:21:42
like that?
01:21:43
Dennis, I thought you did it all the right time.
01:21:47
Speaker 4: Gotta save my money.
01:21:49
Speaker 3: Phil, I'm gonna do it .
01:21:50
I'm gonna do it all at one time , aren't you?
01:21:53
Speaker 2: 100%.
01:21:54
I can't wait for all of that, you know you're gonna drop, drop
01:21:58
it all in there.
01:21:59
You may as well go.
01:22:00
Speaker 3: Yes, that's right.
01:22:03
Speaker 4: No, I appreciate you, phil, like always.
01:22:05
Justin appreciate you.
01:22:06
Yeah, you know having us on again and I hope that it helps
01:22:09
to answer some questions and let the people know about these new
01:22:12
lenses and the Raptor and I'm looking forward to seeing
01:22:15
everybody at the Southeast regional.
01:22:17
Speaker 3: Yeah, phil, when you gonna come to a shoot?
01:22:19
Never, you know.
01:22:22
Speaker 4: I think, I think I might know.
01:22:26
Speaker 2: Yeah, get now behind the desk these days is
01:22:29
Challenging, but I do.
01:22:31
I do want to make it a plan.
01:22:33
It's actually to be perfectly honest, in the next like 12
01:22:38
months there'll be some more pillows joining and that will
01:22:44
free up a little bit of my time.
01:22:45
So I will definitely be out on the circuit in in the next 12
01:22:49
months with a little bit more regularity, because I'll have
01:22:51
some Some of my, some of my family taking up some of the
01:22:56
slack.
01:22:58
Speaker 3: Well, hey guys, thanks for coming on, and
01:23:00
there's a lot of good information about a lot of good
01:23:02
stuff.
01:23:02
So if you have any questions, call Dennis.
01:23:05
He loves for you to call him and talk about.
01:23:09
Speaker 4: And.
01:23:11
Speaker 3: He gave you all the right answers.
01:23:12
If you don't answer, just leave him a voicemail.
01:23:14
Phil is my.
01:23:14
I'll get back to you, I guarantee it or my daughter.
01:23:17
Speaker 4: you know Rebecca's really good, she's like she's.
01:23:19
She runs interference for me and I get a list every hour dad,
01:23:22
did you do this, did you do that?
01:23:24
Did you get this person?
01:23:25
So?
01:23:25
But you know, it's still fun to have my, my daughter, my wife
01:23:29
and my son-in-law and we're very , very thankful for all our
01:23:32
Customers.
01:23:33
Speaker 3: Yep, all right guys.
01:23:34
Well, that's it Thank you, I appreciate it, yeah, and we'll
01:23:38
talk to you later.
